On the phone today, for a good hour. Good guy. They are really concerned with bringing growth back to Chazhound, but GOOD growth and they are maybe as thrilled to have Karl on board as we are to have him back. It would be hard to be quite as thrilled, lol, but they're pretty happy that Karl hunted them down back when he and I started trying to find Heath to see about Karl buying it back. They want to base the growth on what we have already built here, not re-make it into a new vision of their own and not jump in and do things all at once without our input.