Sterilization/Tethering Law Passed
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That's one slip of them getting caught, how many times was Keeda picked up by animal control?
Would a covered dog run have worked for her?
I had to put plywood on the corners of one of my dog runs as well as burying chicken wire along the edges to stop my male Shiba from escaping because he would climb the chainlink in the corners (as did his dad so his dog run was also covered) or dog his way out.
Would a covered dog run have worked for her?
I had to put plywood on the corners of one of my dog runs as well as burying chicken wire along the edges to stop my male Shiba from escaping because he would climb the chainlink in the corners (as did his dad so his dog run was also covered) or dog his way out.
once you give people the power to to tell others how they have to live beyond a minimum standard I ask an existing laws be changed to meet that standard? while I'd agree living on a chain is not much of a life its not my place to dictate how other s keep their own beyond that minimum standard. So, how much interaction is required before a dog is better off dead? Are crates acceptable in the future for our dogs or better off dead? where do you draw the line and do you really want to give the non dog owning public the power to control how you live with your dogs beyond a minimum standard. I promised their standards don't fit yours.
Have you talked to AC officers? How they see that same dogs over and over and have to return them, knowing that they will have more puppies in a couple months, and will be loose shortly after getting pregnant again? They had no way of fixing that, as long as the dog was claimed before the stray hold was over, now they do, even if the dog still runs loose, it isn't dropping puppies every 5-6 months.
I don't sit out there with the dogs when they are out on their lines. They're out there until I let them in. Sometimes it's one minute, other times it's over an hour if they're enjoying being out there.
The bad things about those laws is they aren't a "Let's see what the story is and if the dog is being neglected." They are black and white and you hope that whoever is enforcing them decides you aren't worth going after.
So what? If they dogs have food, water, shelter and aren't obviously being neglected I don't think AC should be able to interfere. Just because someone might not agree with dogs being kept outside doesn't mean they are abused or neglected or living a bad life. It may not be the level of interaction or care I give my dogs but I'm not going to decree that because of that it should not be allowed. Opens the door to way too many other legislations.
And if their overpopulation is this big of an issue, wouldn't it be better to keep the dog in their home rather than in an over crowded shelter where it probably won't be adopted?
How so? Under this law that could have been it, she could have been altered for that.
Dogs get out, sometimes due to lack of care but a lot of times due to just messing up.
Last year I discovered Traveler can open windows. I found out when he opened the bathroom window for the first time and got out of the house. If I was there and he was picked up by AC he would have been altered.
The bad things about those laws is they aren't a "Let's see what the story is and if the dog is being neglected." They are black and white and you hope that whoever is enforcing them decides you aren't worth going after.
So what? If they dogs have food, water, shelter and aren't obviously being neglected I don't think AC should be able to interfere. Just because someone might not agree with dogs being kept outside doesn't mean they are abused or neglected or living a bad life. It may not be the level of interaction or care I give my dogs but I'm not going to decree that because of that it should not be allowed. Opens the door to way too many other legislations.
And if their overpopulation is this big of an issue, wouldn't it be better to keep the dog in their home rather than in an over crowded shelter where it probably won't be adopted?
How so? Under this law that could have been it, she could have been altered for that.
Dogs get out, sometimes due to lack of care but a lot of times due to just messing up.
Last year I discovered Traveler can open windows. I found out when he opened the bathroom window for the first time and got out of the house. If I was there and he was picked up by AC he would have been altered.
Linds answered basically what I was going to say.
ETA: the time she was picked up was when we learned she figured out how to open the back door to the patio. She opens doors! Things aren't so black and white. And by making new laws instead of enforcing older ones you're really hurting a lot of people who do the right thing.
ETA: the time she was picked up was when we learned she figured out how to open the back door to the patio. She opens doors! Things aren't so black and white. And by making new laws instead of enforcing older ones you're really hurting a lot of people who do the right thing.
An alternative to this law that would allow people who are generally responsible to keep their dogs intact vs those that aren't would be change the fees and offer low cost spay/neuter.
Spay/neuter $75-100(that's the higher low cost around here).
Fixed animal reclaim fee: $25
Intact animal reclaim fee: $100, $75 if you opt to have the animal fixed before release.
Or something along those lines.
The tethering law I just completely don't agree with. Law to provide water & shade/shelter ok fine... Outlaw tethering completely? No.
ETA: locally they have the tiered payment system and the prices increase with each subsequent pickup. We used to have an overpopulation problem, now we only have too many pits in shelters but none of them are puppies.
Spay/neuter $75-100(that's the higher low cost around here).
Fixed animal reclaim fee: $25
Intact animal reclaim fee: $100, $75 if you opt to have the animal fixed before release.
Or something along those lines.
The tethering law I just completely don't agree with. Law to provide water & shade/shelter ok fine... Outlaw tethering completely? No.
ETA: locally they have the tiered payment system and the prices increase with each subsequent pickup. We used to have an overpopulation problem, now we only have too many pits in shelters but none of them are puppies.
I like this a lot.
I think those are good ways to find a medium that aren't super invasive, have logic behind them and stand a chance of really making a difference.
While I'm not normally a huge fan of crazy price differences put up for intact vs altered I think in this case it could really help, especially if paired with the option to have them low cost altered before being returned (And waive the intact animal fee since they will be altered upon coming back).
And I think the teared system where the fine goes up each time is a good deterrent and doesn't harm good pet owners while becoming incentive to keep your animals contained.
And I'm right there with you with just not agreeing at all with the tethering portion. I keep trying to figure out who's idea it was to fight dogs roaming and reproducing by tacking on a law that makes it harder to contain your dogs.
I think those are good ways to find a medium that aren't super invasive, have logic behind them and stand a chance of really making a difference.
While I'm not normally a huge fan of crazy price differences put up for intact vs altered I think in this case it could really help, especially if paired with the option to have them low cost altered before being returned (And waive the intact animal fee since they will be altered upon coming back).
And I think the teared system where the fine goes up each time is a good deterrent and doesn't harm good pet owners while becoming incentive to keep your animals contained.
And I'm right there with you with just not agreeing at all with the tethering portion. I keep trying to figure out who's idea it was to fight dogs roaming and reproducing by tacking on a law that makes it harder to contain your dogs.
Keeping in mind I totally made those prices up, my thought was the intact reclaim fee would actually cover the spay/neuter & be cheaper than taking the dog still intact.
Yes it sucks to pay more just bc your dog is intact, but if you're the person whose animal getting picked up really is an accident... This is a MUCH better option.
And yeah... the no tethering makes zero sense to me....at all.
Yes it sucks to pay more just bc your dog is intact, but if you're the person whose animal getting picked up really is an accident... This is a MUCH better option.
And yeah... the no tethering makes zero sense to me....at all.
Well, I'd like to think that I can sit and read on the swing in my own dang front yard with my healthy, friendly dog (who is not bothering or even minorly inconviencing passersby) tethered to a tie out without getting a "talking to" by animal control. And while they're at it they could do a testicle check, and perhaps want to know if my other dog is altered or not. What a waste of time when so many places already have overworked and understaffed animal control departments.
Both if my dogs are altered and have been for years, and honestly I'm a big advocate of altering, but this law is not the way to do it.
Both if my dogs are altered and have been for years, and honestly I'm a big advocate of altering, but this law is not the way to do it.
I personally will never support anti-tethering legislation. But I have difficulty convincing people of WHY oftentimes. There is plenty of research and numbers as to why mandatory spay/neuter legislation simply doesn't work, but I have been unable to find sources of information about anti-tethering legislation other than news articles here and there and the anecdotes of dog owners. The only arguments against it I have heard are that it would be difficult to enforce, especially if the officers already don't properly enforce current laws, and that banning a tool won't stop cruelty, it will just stop one way in which it is perpetuated. These are good arguments, but I wish there was a good study or paper or some source I could find that would talk about how effective anti-tethering legislation has been in the areas where it has been passed.
Anyone have any sources?
Anyone have any sources?
I don't have any sources, sorry. To me, it's common sense, but we know how frequent you run into that in society. People have been tying up dogs, horses, goats, cows, camels, etc since they invented rope more than 50 years ago 
Mostly people use it as an acceptable means to contain something when a fence or something else isn't an option and usually the people and animals are just fine.
Mostly people use it as an acceptable means to contain something when a fence or something else isn't an option and usually the people and animals are just fine.
No they won't. Cute puppies will just be made with other dogs. They will leave that dog and go get another one to pump puppies out of. And dogs could just end up living in crates al a puppy mill style. That is certainly better.
I have posted this often, and I think it would work.
Make chipping dogs mandatory, have the breeders contact info on there permanently and the owner's info second. Make chipping cheap, and the fine for selling a non chipped dog high.
Then when any animal is picked up its stay is billed to the owner. If the owner surrenders the dog the stay is billed to the breeder (of course with the option to come pick up the dog)
THAT I think would leave responsible people alone (cause I would be more than happy to pay some service if they found Quest roaming cause she screen dashed) it would make people think more than twice about breeding and it would help fund the shelters. Make people accountable for their dogs.
I have posted this often, and I think it would work.
Make chipping dogs mandatory, have the breeders contact info on there permanently and the owner's info second. Make chipping cheap, and the fine for selling a non chipped dog high.
Then when any animal is picked up its stay is billed to the owner. If the owner surrenders the dog the stay is billed to the breeder (of course with the option to come pick up the dog)
THAT I think would leave responsible people alone (cause I would be more than happy to pay some service if they found Quest roaming cause she screen dashed) it would make people think more than twice about breeding and it would help fund the shelters. Make people accountable for their dogs.
I get what your saying, is giving vaccinations to puppies before they sell or give them away common there? It isn't up here, hell there was a litter or pit mix pups that had never seen the vet selling for $1000 2 weeks ago.
I think that would end up with more puppies dumped in rivers or boxes by trash cans just simply because even free, often just the amount of time needed is too much for most people. I don't think actual breeders (good or bad) is the real problem there, I think the real problem are those that just don't give a crap about their dogs. These are the people who are not willing to take the pups to the vet even for cheap or low cost microchipping, they are the ones who will abandon new born pups because they are more trouble then they are worth,but not bother to spay the mother to stop it from happening again.
I will say that I like the microchipping idea otherwise, I think it could help with the number of dogs in rescue a great deal, if breeders had to have their information tied to every dog they produced and be responsible for it for it's life time. And it would show exactly where the dogs being left in rescues/shelters are coming from, puppymills/byb/reputable breeders etc.
I think that would end up with more puppies dumped in rivers or boxes by trash cans just simply because even free, often just the amount of time needed is too much for most people. I don't think actual breeders (good or bad) is the real problem there, I think the real problem are those that just don't give a crap about their dogs. These are the people who are not willing to take the pups to the vet even for cheap or low cost microchipping, they are the ones who will abandon new born pups because they are more trouble then they are worth,but not bother to spay the mother to stop it from happening again.
I will say that I like the microchipping idea otherwise, I think it could help with the number of dogs in rescue a great deal, if breeders had to have their information tied to every dog they produced and be responsible for it for it's life time. And it would show exactly where the dogs being left in rescues/shelters are coming from, puppymills/byb/reputable breeders etc.
so how do you make people that don't care, care? and in a way that doesn't really affect those that take care of their animals?
I don't like the microchipping thing either. We have end user laws and ordinances in place and never use them. I can just see the inflated costs of housing that will be given to breeders and just wait till a dog from CA has to be shipped back to the breeder in MA I'm sure the dog will be delivered for free right?
I think about the only thing it would do is create more hoops for those that care and add more expense and make people that do good, just step out all together and those that don't give a **** will just continue not giving a ****. How do you make a breeder register with microchips? Most breeders aren't registered with any org and all they'll do is just not register with AKC anymore.
Good breeders already take their dogs back, the rest don't. I don't see how that changes. They'd just go out of business and make up a new kennel name, or just not register them in the first place.
I don't like the microchipping thing either. We have end user laws and ordinances in place and never use them. I can just see the inflated costs of housing that will be given to breeders and just wait till a dog from CA has to be shipped back to the breeder in MA
I'm sure the dog will be delivered for free right?I think about the only thing it would do is create more hoops for those that care and add more expense and make people that do good, just step out all together and those that don't give a **** will just continue not giving a ****. How do you make a breeder register with microchips? Most breeders aren't registered with any org and all they'll do is just not register with AKC anymore.
Good breeders already take their dogs back, the rest don't. I don't see how that changes. They'd just go out of business and make up a new kennel name, or just not register them in the first place.