Discussion in 'The Dog Breeds' started by msm4, Sep 21, 2008.
Um, hasn't this entire thread been about how SBTs aren't APBTs?
I thought that the whole situation went like this:
American Pit Bull Terrier - not recognized by AKC - traditional American pit dog (been here quite a while)
American Staffordshire Terrier - recognized by AKC - kinda a show version of APBT - though the lines have been pretty much split for a while - usually bulkier than APBT
Staffordshire Bull Terrier - smaller than APBT and AmStaff - extremely rare in U.S. but not in U.K. - recognized by AKC
I didn't think there was an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Who is saying the SBT is the same as an Amstaff, and to be honest I think an Amstaff is just a show version of a Pit bull.
There is an original stafford type and there is the show standard type stafford, depends what you want in a dog, both the temperments are the same, but one is more athletic, for me the orignal standard SBT is the only type I will ever own.
there are alot of people on this thread insisting that there are tons of staffybulls in shelters, when infact there actually amstaffs, but people often lable them as staffies to make them sound less...pitbull...
in terms of personality though the 2 breeds are very similar.
You don't get many staffs that have that look though, because they are unbelievably overbred. Mainly in cities and the like.
Oh I understand now, the dog posted is not the heaviest show stafford, but also not my ideal, I like mine more from the original stand
Most of the dogs on here and true to thier type and colour, ear etc type faults are not look apon as a sin, instread breeding to type and keeping them athletic is..
These dogs are the top winning show staffords
there is a big difference, but if you like showing then these are the type staffords needed.
crossguns have gorgeous show type "typical" staffies (not the overbred byb ones that are finding their ways around the uk now as Dizzy stated...)
and of course dogs from working lines have a differnt look, longer leaner and more "athletic" (though ive met many a stocky little show ring staffy that has been more than willing to prove themselves in weight pull ect too lol)
but as you can see from all those pics, complatly different Look from the AmStaff.
staffies are my absolute fave of the bully breeds, followed by the bull terrier. lol
Yes show staffords are typical TODAY, however there was no need what so ever to change the original standard, and has made no sense at all as the original was perfect, but SBT's are the best then closely followed by the pit bull
Also champion winning staffords are closely bred, line bred than any other Staffordshire bull terriers and rarely there is hardly any new blood bred in, hence they have a typical look.
I do not like the heavy line bred look in any animal at all
Id rather take many of the leggier athletic stafford who have been out crossed to different lines any day, makes for a much healthier dog
But why are there so many byb staffords as you say? why are they byb?
Uhhh......you lost me. Mainly because the "American Stafffordhire Terrier" does not have the word "Bull" in it and it never has.
To make a long story short, the APBT was derived from working dogs similar to the SBT of old, and ASTs are a show version of the APBT (now a separate breed due to decades of breeding for completely different reasons & standards).
There is no such breed as an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. There is the American Staffordshire Terrier (like the blue dog you posted) and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Those two aren't the same breed. They aren't even different lines of the same. They're two different breeds, completely.
yep bahamutt is right, the staffordshire bull terrier is not the same breed as the american staffordshire terrier, but the american staffordshire terrier is the show version of the american pit bull terrier
complicated much ! lol