Speaking of Koolies

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Sparrow, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. Sparrow

    Sparrow New Member

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    I didn't want to hijack the other question thread. :)

    Every time I narrow down my future dogs, the Koolie seems to come along and snag my attention. On paper they look pretty perfect for what I want, but I have actually met a Lagotto Romagnolo, and really like them. And they seem pretty quiet. :p

    I am 100% set on having a Lundehund some day and getting deep into the research/recovery efforts with them, but may hold off on that for nextdog. It's hard to say, as it will be a while before I get my next dog anyhow (hopefully a long while, since it won't be while I have Zoe.)

    So like I said, I think I have future breeds figured out, then Koolies keep showing up and stealing the spotlight. But I've never met one and am trying to get a better idea of them.

    1) How are they with non dog-critters? I've read they tend to be good with other dogs, but I have a cat that thinks dogs are her personal hot water bottles, and paws are nice to bat at sometimes... and I have a cockatoo that likes to hang out with me as much as possible. Ideally I won't have to separate out species anymore than I already do (no Poe out with cat, no little birds out with anyone else.)

    2) Is there a difference in temperament between the sexes? When I get a Lundehund, it will likely be a male and left intact if he is healthy. I have to figure this into any other dog plans.

    3) How big are everyone's Koolies? Sex/height/weight/girth? My dog apparently has a big chest for her size, and I weirdly judge dog size by girth for some reason. :rolleyes: I like the smaller build of the females, but there seems to be a wide range of sizes/builds for the more natural breeds like this. I am looking into smaller sizes because iIt seems better for getting around on technical hikes? Or at least easier to pack them out if injured. And I'd like a dog just under a cut-off for agility rather than just over to go easier on the joints.

    4) Just how bad is the barking? Like how often/in what circumstances?

    5) Do they have any obsessive quirks like some BCs? Can they handle getting through an agility course without SPINNING AROUND LIKE MAD LIKE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR HANDLER WITH STRING? lol, so many herders going crazy at the last local trials... but then again, lots of labs there did this too.

    6) Could a Koolie do Schutzhund? I've recently become interested in this sport, but I can't see a Lagotto or a Lundy making the cut. I know that would generally be the bigger dogs into that, but hypothetically do Koolies seem like they'd fit the sport?

    Thanks so much, everyone. I am looking for future dog to be a hiking, running and biking partner, and want to get into agility, rally, and who knows what else.
     
  2. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I think that's mostly dogs that are amped up pretty high and a handler not giving out cues fast enough so the dog has no idea where to go next. At least in my experience the spinning dogs are generally frustrated and are usually operating at several steps faster than the handler. Frustration like that can come out in various different ways.

    Other than that I am no help.
     
  3. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Any breed could do Schutzhund, you need the right club to help, good drives, and patience. If you want a competitive trial dog I wouldn't seek an off breed, if you want to live with an off breed and play in Schutzhund go for it.

    Schutzhund requires food drive, prey drive, stable temperaments, work ethic, and a happy dog. Beyond that, ability to handle pressure, patience, determination, speed, and so forth are for competitive teams.

    The rest of the answers I will leave for koolie owners. We've talked and would like to plan on one but it will likely be a companion/obed/agility dog as our desires in IPO (shutzhund) would not be met by a koolie.
     
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    Ok, I want it to be understood most of my experience comes from one kennel. While I do speak to lots of owners of Koolies from all different kennels, the people I'm closest too also have dogs from that kennel or the lines go back to the same kennel.

    Answers in purple!
     
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    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    Perhaps you might want to check out some videos? We have a few great koolie owners on the board who post some AWESOME stuff

    and when I was looking for a dog I had A LOT of the same pre-qualifiers you did, and koolies totally did cross my mind because on paper, it seemed like they were pretty set on!
    as for your barking question, I re-iterate, check out some videos.

    I love the koolies of this board! I really do! but I'm very glad their owners took the time to post some videos because even though I am NO STRANGER to barking....I accepted that I AM MUCH MORE sensitive to vocalizations than IMO it takes to own a dog like traveler and company.

    This is not a bad thing, this is not a negative breed trait..it's just something you need to make sure meshes up with YOUR personality and what you want in a dog.

    Merlin is a very quiet dog (especially for an aussie) and when he gets amped he is more of a spinner than a barker.
    but on the rare occassion he does go into an IM SO EXCITED BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK
    It grates on my nerves so much that I am very happy I took the time to research and watch video and do not have a koolie.
     
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    Ungh people stop talking about Koolies it makes me want. :p
     
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    You know Fran, I never really thought of my dogs as loud. I really didn't. Kaylee was who I said was loud because she's got this super repetitive alert bark that she does at EVERYTHING. "OH MY GOD A BRANCH MOVED!!! ALIEN!!" and it drives me up a freaking wall.

    Didgie and Traveler bark because we're all HAPPY! And things are happening! And we're TRAINING! and that stuff JUST doesn't bother me. Alert barking? God yes. Kill it with FIRE. But life barking? Not so much.

    And I don't think Traveler alone was bad (Jes tells me he was though :rofl1: but she hates barking so she doesn't count) but Didgie just really really vocalizes everything she does.

    And one of the issues we ran into was she gets loud when frustrated, it serves as an outlet and training creates frustration. So when I was working on stays she would bark during them BUT hold them. So I had to let it go to be able to work her to the point where stays no longer CAUSED the frustration. If that makes sense?

    I see it in things like her barking after the disc. She barks at long throws because they aren't in her mouth where they should be. Traveler does the same thing often when swimming, he barks after the toys as he runs at them. I think having two of them lets them feed off of eachother too.

    But I know Page has said she stayed on Circus right from the start about not barking and she's gotten really pretty quiet!
     
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    Well we already know Squash goes well with one :)
     
  9. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Im liking all these threads. :D. That is all.

    My family always jokes that I have a knack for picking out the dogs with the most obnoxious barks possible.
     
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    Every time I see pics, stories, videoes, it makes me want to consider one for my small dog (promised my daughter we would look into a smaller dog (like 40ish lbs) for next dog). Barking does drive me batty, but honestly, usually its alert barking that drives me nuts. Marley was awful about separation barking too....if I was upstairs and he wasnt BARK BARK BARK etc. If its during working and play, it could be handable. Both danes are loud during play and fun......hmmmmm.

    Still very far off and I was leaning Aussie (though I REALLY want standard poodle or wolfie.....sigh)
     
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    Your description of Didgie reminds me a lot of Cohen. She can be SO LOUD when she's excited and working. And it barely registers with me.

    Last time I was at an agility trial someone came up to me afterwards and laughed about how Cohen barked the entire time she was running the course. ...I hadn't even noticed. I was like, "oh, really??"
     
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    :rofl1: Isn't it funny how much you get used to it and don't even hear it? I never noticed the barking after discs until I had people at the comps point it out! You just don't hear it!

    The only time I don't like it is when it's from over stimulation and ups the excitement rather than acting as an outlet for frustration.

    Also, the fact that you don't mind Cohen's barking means you need a Koolie! That's how it works don't you know.
     
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    The fact that my husband hates Cohen's barking means a Koolie is a long way off. Though I totally would look into it if I could... They remind me a lot of the more interesting Aussies I know. I find most Aussies are too sedate or hard headed, so it's neat to see my favourite aspects of my dogs exemplified en masse in another breed.
     
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    I think that's totally normal. lol Mia had barked for a long long time (honestly, no idea really) the other day before it even began to register.

    Mia's just loud. She alert barks badly, she cannot hold in her excitement (car rides!), when she's frustrated her go-to is to bark, etc. I just don't even hear it anymore. It's like my mind has blocked that frequency. Summer is mostly an excitement barker. I feel bad for some of the people in agility who are really strict about barking dogs because mine... are loud. My family hates barking dogs but luckily I don't live with them anymore and I don't care if potty breaks make her so excited she wants to screech.

    Anyways, off topic since she's not a koolie lol.
     
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    Don't have anything to add to the Koolie info but I tend to agree with Adrianne on this. IMO if you are seriously interested in SchH, you really should look at breeds traditional to the sport/work and litters bred for it. If it's a more casual interest, if you get a medium to large dog of any breed that has decent drive, stability and loves to tug you could probably play around in bitesports. But keep in mind, not all clubs are welcoming to non-traditional breeds and not all helpers are well rounded enough to bring out the best in whatever dog someone wants to work.
     
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    Thanks so much for all the input. They sound like such perfect dogs for me. I don't know why I keep looking at other breeds. :rolleyes: Not that I can't have both. I don't want to be a one-dog household in the future.

    I don't mind some noise - I have a cockatoo, after all. But Poe is really a pretty quiet bird, and I'd like to keep it that way. The things that bother me are alarm barking that doesn't stop when I give the all clear, and separation barking "OMG, you're leaving me! Come back! Why are you over there, I can see you!!!" Noise during playing/training isn't a big deal so long as it isn't something the dog is doing instead of focusing on the activity. I just don't want constant loud feedback about everything. Zoe alerts me of moose during walks, then quiets down and we can pass them just fine. I appreciate that. I don't appreciate her telling me the post office is about to eat my soul when I try to check the mail. I have looked into the Mudi as well, and this is one thing (along with some DA concerns) that has put me off. I hear they are big time barkers.

    I don't plan to get serious about Schutzhund. That's where I'd like to go with agility, but the Schutzhund would be more for fun and to see how far we could go. The club I like up here has two boxers, but I don't know enough to say how "off" they are as breeds in the sport compared to Koolies. They don't have a super serious attitude, so I think they'd be open to it, but I may have moved to Oregon (probably Ashland) by the time I'd be getting into that.
     
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