Some breeders are snobs

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  1. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Not all but alot are such snobs. There is a breeder a few hours from me that I see at every show I go to. While thier lines arent "my thing" (they have S. American lines) They are still verry knowlegeable and I would love to chat with them. Well I got a E mail from them congradulating me on Jazz recent BOW over thier "pick boy". They gave me a few rather helpfull tips for the specials ring and asked me about my handling and client base. I guess Im good enough to talk to now.
     
  2. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Yes I know thats the way it is in the world of dog shows. Im just ranting. As a breeder and knowing what it feals like I am vowing to give any and every novice who aproaches me anytime in the near future no matter how big (or not) I get, I will give them all a chance.
     
  3. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Some are snobs... There is one I have met on a few occasions that just rubs me the wrong way. Eager to lecture everyone else about things he doesn't even do in his lines. apparently he has the 'best lines' when in actuality he simply has a TON of dogs he shows.

    Ah well, it's always grand when your dog places over theirs. ;)
     
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    One thing I've noticed since working in the "professional dog field" is that it's FULL of snobs. Trainers constantly say "MY method works, yours DOESN'T," groomers are constantly "having" to fix another groomer's work, and now breeders. I heard the other day about a very heated argument between a group of show handlers about whether or not to leave a collar/leash on a dog in a crate.

    I think it's VERY important that we are all aware that it's easy to become a snob ourselves, and to try to stay open-minded about other's opinions.... Either that, or just decide that you're going to do what you want with YOUR dog, and let them do what they want with THEIR dog. (To an extent, of course.... Please report animal abuse!)
     
  5. JennSLK

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    That is so true. If I loose oh well. But I LOVE beeting the ones who leave the ring mad and are throwing a tantrum out side the ring. The owner/handler of a bitch who took reserve to Jazz was actually swearing outside the ring. There is a fine line between biased and kennel blind
     
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    Sounds a lot like pretty much every field I've ever dealt with :D

    Some are snots, some are not . . . . You get some real crazies in Fila breeders though.

    And sometimes you find out that someone you thought was a snob isn't; they are just not good with people - great with dogs, but painfully shy when it comes to people.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    This same guy was approached by a potential pet owner with papillon questions at a show we were at. He went on this horribly long self absorbed rant. My mother and I were sitting there with these looks on our faces. The poor woman looked terrified and like she had wished she'd never asked. He ranted for a good 30 minutes and all she'd asked were some basic questions! Scaring people away is just no good.

    Then his dog took dead last in a large class.

    I love Kharma.
     
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    I couldn't handle the show world of any kind. I get enough politics simply owning a Border Collie. Could you imagine me showing dogs? HAHAH. I'm not one to tolerate anyone speaking ill of my dogs. Call me any name under the sun but call my dog a name and lord all mighty you went too far.

    I went to a show as a casual observer. Some of the conversations I over heard made me giggle.
     
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    From what you said in just your two posts I'd take it as a compliment since they took the time to even e-mail instead of being like many and simply congratulating you ringside. There's too many crazies in the dog world, and I wouldn't sweat the small stuff. ;)
     
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    From what I hear, competitive obedience isn't much better, and that's a part of it that I dread. I don't do the drama/politics/clique thing. It'll be me and my dog and that's all I'm going to worry about.
     
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    Tell me about it! I've been sending out emails for months, and the ones that do reply are um....sketchy at best.

    I guess I'll just wait to have a fila until I can convince you that I'll die without a Kharma pup. :D
     
  12. Perhaps snobbiness is misinterpreted.

    Perhaps as mentioned a person is shy.

    Perhaps people can realize when they are wasting their breath and their time by mentioning things. Very few people attempt to pour water into a vessel that appears to already be full.

    Quite a few people on this forum have offered you good advice, cautions, and information since before you acquired this, your first show dog.

    It takes a LONG TIME, and GOOD MENTORS to learn a breed, and the ins and outs of showing dogs. One does not learn all they need to know in a couple years time and on their first show dog.

    Perhaps a small slice of humble pie is in order when people are kind enough to take the time to contact you, congratulate you, and offer tips and information that can be helpful to you later.
     
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    :rolleyes:.....nvr mind.
     
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    LOL...there's that old/new smiley again...I'll ditto that! :rolleyes:
     
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    That's why you have to choose your venues carefully. I chose CPE for agility because it seems to be much more of an easy going venue. Though you always have your competitive people, there are groups that go and are there to just cheer everyone on no matter what.

    It's also why I chose PSA as my bitework venue. It is very much like a family and no one is trying to sabotage the other competitors. Some of the all out temper tantrums, threats, and verbal/emailed hissy fits that I've seen in conjunction with other bitesports have frankly horrified me.

    Question to show people:
    Have you found that AKC vs. UKC show people/breeders are different? And do you primarily show AKC or UKC? Have you ever shown both? If not what are you basing your answers on?
     
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    sometimes....UKC is supposed to be less formal...and it is. But...here at least many of the SAME do both, including myself so you will see familiar faces and attitudes wherever you go lol.
     
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    I have only really shown AKC. From people I know that show UKC there's still politics and I've gotten to listen to some of their complaints, lol! UKC is less formal, though. Papillons in UKC isn't really much of an option. I mean a few people show both but the majority is AKC and thus that's where we show.

    Even in the AKC you have the nice people and then the not so nice people. Not all AKC breeders are snobs but I won't lie and say I have not seen anything I'd consider snobbery at shows.

    The worst was listening to the lab people whine after winners were picked.
     
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    Funniest thing I ever heard at an AKC show was...back in the crating/grooming area:

    erm..."flamboyant" male handler comes back with lovely Collie and RWD ribbon...he tells equally flamboyant friend at the set-up,

    "Oh...my...GAWD...I cannot BELIEVE the dog she put up! I mean...it looked like a homeless dog!"

    You had to be there but I laughed FOR WEEKS...the tone and inflection was JUST too much. I still say that from time to time to my dogs when they get all scroungy lookin...

    "Ellie you need a bath...I mean...you look like a homeless dog!"
     

  20. I have shown and titled dogs in Breed and obedience in both venues.

    I have much more time in the AKC rings than UKC, however, this is my personal opinion from my own experiences:

    There are NO professional handlers allowed in UKC rings. Pro handlers may show dogs, but never for any compensation. I have shown many dogs for others at UKC shows, just for fun and to help out. I have gotten the same help from others when I had more than one dog to show.

    UKC shows are much more informal, generally allow entries to be made the day of the show, there are no catalogs generally, and I find their shows more like a match.

    UKC shows are fun with little pressure on handlers. Fellow exhibitors are quick to offer help, congratulate you when you win, etc.

    I do see dogs showing and winning at UKC shows that would not generally be seen at AKC shows because they are not competitive. This is just a part of the UKC scene, and something you have to learn to swallow if you are going to show and compete in that venue.

    Having said all that, my first love is the AKC ring. It is MUCH harder to finish an AKC CH in most breeds. AKC judges must apply for and qualify for each breed they are approved to judge. UKC Judges get most breeds when they are approved for their first one. I believe UKC judges have to have more education, or qualify to judge breeds such as the APBT, TFT, and maybe the Belgian Shepherds, but I'm not certain those are the breeds.

    The expectations of the handler is higher at AKC shows. Dogs who are not of good breed type generally don't get a second glance at AKC shows, and might even be excused from judging at times.

    While at a UKC show it is relatively easy for a dog to finish a CH title and never compete against another dog of its own breed, this does not happen in general at an AKC show. Yes, it CAN happen. A dog can win its particular group. If it does so and is not finished, it will be awarded the highest number of points awarded in that group on the day. Obviously single entry class dogs don't win groups at AKC shows on anything that could be considered a regular basis.

    I would recommend anyone getting started in showing dogs go and enjoy some UKC shows. They are fun and casual. Get a little experience, take some handling classes, and after that the AKC shows will be much more enjoyable for most people.

    JMO as always.
     

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