So you want to breed your dog? Check out the costs!

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by cindr, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. MomOf7

    MomOf7 Evil Kitty taco eater

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2006
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    6
    Location:
    WA.
    You hit the nail on the head there!
     
  2. AnimalLoverCatRescuer

    AnimalLoverCatRescuer New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    604
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    many many cats
    Location:
    OH

    Ok I see, that makes sense. I didn' realize you are in Canada. And I guess with everything else added in, saving a little on shots really wouldn't make a ton of difference overall. Even if you did home vaccinations.

    Did you mean that the expensive food you are referring for $70 a bag is Iams and Eukanuba? That would be about $62 I think in US dollars. I may have mis-understood your post becausae that sentence was worded a little funny. But I don't consider Iams or Eukanuba a high quality food at all. I wouldn't pay $2 a bag for them. I don't mean to sound like I am arguing or anything, just trying to understand your reply to my post :)
     
  3. cindr

    cindr Guest

    Hi there sorry for all and any confusion. I love the brand of dog food Iams. Wouldn't use anything else. But I guess it is about personal preferance . What do you feed?
     
  4. cindr

    cindr Guest

    Point well made. I as well breed for the love of the breed. I just wish and pray that others would follow suit. It is not fair to the people wanting a real nice dog to end up with many health issues attached to that love. That is to painful not only for the dog the new owner too.

    I brought the subject up as to a educational area. To many breed as to the get rich quick sceem. I just called a breeder of Ritties. Why I have a client wanting one. I explained to the client that I will assist in their search. So getting on with it I would call the breeder. German Bred Rotties for sale. Okay :cool: So now I ask the pertant questions. Shots, registrations health guar parents cerification so on and so forth. NONE OF THE ABOVE ATTACHED!!!!!!!!:D

    So as a reputable trainer and breeder would I send my client there? Not on your life. I have to not only consider the client I have to consider my reputation along with the fact that I would at no time support a byb and or puppy mill. Hey If people wish to breed they have to have a concious mind. They have to understand that should put more into it than just making babies
     
  5. AnimalLoverCatRescuer

    AnimalLoverCatRescuer New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    604
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    many many cats
    Location:
    OH
    I feed Chicken Soup for the Dog and Cat Lovers Soul and Premium Edge sometimes Solid Gold but that is usually way too expensive for me. My vet as well as a lot of people I know on a cat forum always talk about how Iams is promoted my most vets like Purina is also but it really isn't all that great of a food. I have done a ton, well quite a bit of research on the popular and not so popular foods to find the best I can. Iams I think lists corn as a second ingredient and I stick to the foods with meat in the first few ingredient spots. I also believe Iams has by-product meal in the ingredients list, that is something I stear way clear of, that could be anything off the factory floor. I am a bit obsessive about what I feed my pets. I would love to switch to raw but I don't have a regular enough schedule to prepare and serve it. I also don't know a lot about it.

    Check out brands like those I mentioned and Wellness, Innova, California Natural, you will see what I am talking about.

    Does Iams cost $70 in Canada?
     
  6. wolfsoul

    wolfsoul I Love My Belgian

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2006
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1 dog, 3 rats. 1 cat (lives with my mother now)
    Location:
    Kelowna, BC, Canada
    Home Page:
    Too bad about the health problems -- allergies are another thing quite common in Belgians. But it sounds like she was a wonderful dog. :) I'm not sure I'll ever keep a terv but I'd love to have some pop up in litters. Jag who is being bred next year might carry terv -- not sure, it'll be her first litter. Loki who is also being bred next year carries terv (his father was a terv). And Solo might carry it, but probably not lol. The others probably don't either. I'm just waiting for the day that I get a little grey pup. :)

    I agree about Iams, not the worst food but certainly not the best -- lots of better stuff out there. :) I didn't realise it could get so expensive. When I was feeding kibble I don't think I ever spent more than $50 for a 40 pound bag. I feed raw now, but before I got my freezer so I could feed raw, I tried Innova EVO, Nature's Variety, Go Natural, Natural Balance, and California Natural. Some other good ones are Canidae, Fromm's, Foundations, Healthwise, Summit...Can't think of any more lol.
     
  7. cindr

    cindr Guest

    Sounds good to me. I do not know if we have that brand here. But I will look for it. We can get ground up cow inner's $2.50 for ten pounds. My kids used to hate it. Why? Because the guy I got the stuff from put it in one big bag and it would be frozen. So when I defrosted it the whole house smelt like cow!!!!!!!!!!Now the dogs were doing great on it and I was going through a whole lot less in the kibble area. That was great as we had 25 dogs at the time.

    Now how did we end up with that many dogs? :lol-sign: Well we lived on a 50 Acre farm. We were set back away from the road but everyone could see the kennel in the back. Get this just made for one dog and or two. As all of my dogs live in the house. Anyhow getting on with it. I would come home to dogs tied to my porch dogs tied to my tree's. Mind you not all at once but it happened almost every week.

    So one day I decided to put a sign at the road stating no more dogs wanted. I was not the humane society and or a rescue. Just a small breeder trainer. So now I end up have a visitor or two. Police Service Officers. By this time I had built (hubby) a large indoor out door facility to house these poor souls. Not a big deal. But when the Sergent and the Constible came to visit the two of them would look at me as if to say. What the heck is going on? I looked at Cam and said " Do you think I have enough of them. He said: I think so!
    I said well go look at the road. The sign says NO MORE DOGS WANTED.

    This is one of the reasons I have such a hard time with idiot breeders. They seem to want the money for the dogs but do not give a dame where they go to and what will happen to them. It is such a shame. Can you believe every dog that was tied up to the tree's were registered German Shepherd dogs
     
  8. chickenlittle

    chickenlittle Grumpy Old Man

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2006
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Rockland, Ontario
    Home Page:
    Just a note to let everyone know

    It is illegal to order the shots and give them yourself.

    All vaccines, by law in Canada must be given by a licensed vet!

    So there is no way to save on the shots anyway.
     
  9. cindr

    cindr Guest

    Good point: I did not think of that area at all. Many people go order the shots and or crop thier dogs tails and or dew claws. Although get caught your going to jail here. Federal crime receives the time acting as a vet here in Ontario.

    It is always best to take the pups to the vets for thier first shots this way we can prevent a wrongful sale. You never know if the dog has a heart mermer and or other health issues. Its always better to be safe than sorry
     
  10. wolfsoul

    wolfsoul I Love My Belgian

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2006
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1 dog, 3 rats. 1 cat (lives with my mother now)
    Location:
    Kelowna, BC, Canada
    Home Page:
    The only vaccine required to be given by a licensed vet in Canada is Rabies. You can buy most other vaccines right from the pharmacy.
     
  11. chickenlittle

    chickenlittle Grumpy Old Man

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2006
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Rockland, Ontario
    Home Page:
    It use to be only rabies....now it is actually all vaccines.

    You will have a very hard time importing them {getting across the boarder}

    I use to do my own vaccines...can't now!
     
  12. wolfsoul

    wolfsoul I Love My Belgian

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2006
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1 dog, 3 rats. 1 cat (lives with my mother now)
    Location:
    Kelowna, BC, Canada
    Home Page:
    Weird, my friend just had a litter five months ago and bought all of her vaccines at a pharmacy on the Island.
     
  13. chickenlittle

    chickenlittle Grumpy Old Man

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2006
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Rockland, Ontario
    Home Page:


    Could this be just an Ontario thing now then? I cannot buy the vaccines anymore, they will not allow them to cross the boader. I sold a puppy with the shots bought and done by me....the guy actually went to a vet and I was sent a letter indicating that only licensed vets in Canada can give shots and say that the dog has the shots.

    I guess maybe for you own personal dogs it is acceptable; but if you are selling the dog it must be done at a vets.

    Cindr knows alot more then I do about this so check with her on it.
     
  14. bubbatd

    bubbatd Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    64,812
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I still prefer vets doing the job............
     
  15. cindr

    cindr Guest

    You are 250 % right. The way I look at it is this, and I have discussed the area with my vets. As I have 6 of them that I can rely on. When or if I received the vac from someone other than the vet! I am taking a chance with the quality. Now it states that it is the right vac for the right causes. But if placed in the wrong area of your home and or not used when it should be it becomes stagnated and or to be honest with you you are giving the dog a dose of water.

    So now you sell the dog and you gave it the shot yourself, you feel the dog is vacinated and low and behold not. So the dog comes down with all kinds of illnesses. Who is to be held responsible? That's right you.

    By going to the vets you are securing the dog as to being healthy, good hearts good temp good everything. By treating the dog yourself you are taking a large chance at selling someone a ill dog and being litterally investigated, shut down, sued and taking the possibility of being charged with animal cruelity. There is no reason to cut corners sometimes by doing that you lose in the long run.

    As far as Canada, there are some Provinces that allow you to buy the vac over the counter but here in Ontario it is a federal Offence thus charges will and shall be laid and you better expect to go to jail
     
  16. britishbandit

    britishbandit New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Two Rottweilers and two cats.
    Location:
    Windsor, Ontario
    I buy the 40lb bags of Canidae approximately every 3 weeks for my 2, and that costs me $65.

    I know many reputable breeders that give the first shots in their home. Since rabies shots aren't given till the 3rd set of vaccinations (at least where I live), most breeders don't have the dogs when that shot is needed.
    I see nothing wrong with a breeder giving the boosters themselves.

    But it's true that a lot of BYB's do skip a lot of things that really should be done in order to make money. There is never much money (if any) made on a litter that has been properly cared for.
    Although, breeders that charge $2000-$3000 and even over that for a pup can't possibly say that they aren't making a profit off of them. I feel even for a CH bloodline of any breed, a fair price should be anywhere between $1000-$2000. Much more than that and I'd be questioning the breeders motives.
     
  17. britishbandit

    britishbandit New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Two Rottweilers and two cats.
    Location:
    Windsor, Ontario
    What part of Canada do you live in?? I know a few breeders in Ontario that get their vaccines from veterinary supply stores.

    BTW, just because breeders may vaccinate in their home, why would you think they'd skip out on vet checks for the puppies?
     
  18. cindr

    cindr Guest

    I live in Ontario, you would have to be in Alberta or something like that to be able to purchase the Shots. I said that a lot of the breeders by pass vets because I dealt with a few in the summer. They gave the shots themselves said the dog was healthy and then sold them.

    They as well gave the shots in the wrong area of the body where as the dogs ended up with an alergic reaction from the shots. So no not all breeders are that bad I was just trying to make a point. So that we can look at the differances as far as a what a good breeder would do and a byb would do.

    We sell our pups for $1000.00 up depending on what we have in them. If I have to do all the shots I then attach that to the price. If the dog has started some ob training again the price will rise. If I title the dog then again the dogs price goes up. At no time would I charge $2000.00 for a puppy unless that dog was well worth the price. If I did it would included shipping costs. All of our dogs come from Quality stock and with that we offer a full two year health guar caused from breeding and breeding alone. We will not cover any ones neglect. We as well offer a buy back agreement. Thus securing that the dog does not go any where it should not.
     

Share This Page