Thanx Doberluv. Chicki is a shepherd. She has been with her mom her litter mates, 3 and the other two adults. I have not done anything with her other than ball play, and structured modifications off leash. She does real good. There are a few other trainers here in our area, although many of them are from the old school. HARSH HARSH TRAINING> I do not want to do that with her at all. So since she is such a fire ball with attitude, I felt that this was the best place to go for the advise. I do not want to do anything to break her spirit, although know she needs to curb this attitude. She has a great out look on life when she is on her own, but when it comes to the down and dirty. Well she is quick to the draw. She will gp along way as long as I get her redirected with a positive rather than a negitive. This one sure is tough. I have never had an issue of this sort in all my yrs in dogs! I appreciate all and any needed assistance with this one.