Silver Labs

Caren+Bailey · Sep 12, 2006

The difference......No one said that a dog that isn't Standard doesn't deserve a home,..........A Mutt isn't Bred for someone to make money....they are usually an "oops litter" and thats why the pups end up in shelters.

Breeding a particular breed and then selling the colours that "Don't" conform to the standard for more than the colours that do......IMO is ridiculous.

Oh and from someone who's sister-in-law owns 2 wiems (yanno, someone that HAS seen one or two personally).....Yes, if i hadn't been told that this was a Silver Lab.....I would have thought it was a weim/Lab Mix.

peetee07 · Sep 12, 2006

Giny said:

Unfortunately you are correct, it's marketing 101, supply and demand. The smaller the dog the more expensive it is. We are following what the going price is for these labs, and to be honest at that price i'll be lucky to pull even. I don't really care about the money, but in another way you don't want to lose also, otherwise everyone would have litters and give them away. Different size and different color IS in demand hence the prices. Now what i don't agree on is a dog the size of a hampster going for $3000, that's a bit over doing it, but at a $1000 it's not that extreme.

bubbatd · Sep 12, 2006

Think this has gone on long enough ! ???? Personally I thought the dog pictured at the first site was of poor breeding for even a chocolate-silver lab ....poor pigment and blue eyes ?

Lola. · Sep 12, 2006

peetee07 said:

LMAO, go to a show and you'll hear 6 year olds walking around saying "bitch." When my brothers were younger, they understood what it meant and would say it in a room full of adults and their friends. A bitch is a bitch is a bitch. I don't see anything wrong with it.

juliefurry · Sep 12, 2006

I didn't say that selling a rarer color for more was right, I just said some people do do it. I think that we should all just stop arguing about this because they obviously aren't going to change their opinion, or breeding practice, and we obviously aren't going to change our feelings on this matter.

peetee07 · Sep 12, 2006

Caren+Bailey said:

Weims are very different, anyone who knows dogs, can tell the difference, the labs are much stockier and there face looks of a lab not a weim, the docked tail might be another distinguishable feature.

peetee07 · Sep 12, 2006

Lola. said:

True, True you are so right on that one.

Caren+Bailey · Sep 12, 2006

peetee07 said:

I am not saying that your Labs are mixed, Just that it would be easy to think they are.
I know that the weim looks different and the head shape is different........but we would be talking 2 breeds put together and that is exactly how i think a Lab/weim might look IF mixed.

dogsarebetter · Sep 12, 2006

like i said, i was 99% sure they were a mix. to me there head and ears dont like very lab like

Dizzy · Sep 12, 2006

Again - this is EXACLTLY the point I was making in the previous thread on breeding questions??

Excuse me - but what the HELL has COLOUR got to do with bettering the breed? What the HELL has it got to do with anything except AESTHETICS?

And who are YOU to decide what colour the lab should be?!!

If they are health tested, hip tested, and have a pedigree then what is the problem?

Yes - there are hundreds of homeless dogs - if that is the case - then NOONE should breed - white, chocolate, silver, pink with blue spots!

Julie · Sep 12, 2006

peetee07 said:

**No Thanks**

I paid 700. for my yellow lab about 5 years ago. It also depends upon what is "behind a dog" as in their pedigree to make it worth the money. She had many many hunting champions in her background. We wanted a dog that will hunt all day...........she does.

Most all of the dogs in her pedigree were hip rated and eyes cleared. I have seen started labs go for 2000. But then again you are getting something extra......something special. You are not paying for a color that takes no more money than a black lab to whelp and raise. But you charge more because they are in "demand" just as those "designer breeds".
My labs also track.... heck anyone can say that. My labs can track a tennisball. They are also very good at "tracking" ducks, geese, and doves. Although I usually just refer to that as "retrieving".

silverbest · Sep 12, 2006

Dizzy said:

This is basically the stand I am taking. I have read the links, and found some more on my own.
Every three coloured breeder bashes the silver, yet the silver breeders do not seem to do that in return. I find when someone feels the need to knock someone down, then normally it is because they are afraid of change. In some cases change is good.

The dogs are healthy, they are hip tested and guaranteed, so good for you and go for it.

Sorry if I am odd man out but it is the best I can come up with for now with the research I have done.

Saje · Sep 12, 2006

funny how peetee logs off and silverbest logs on. lol

Caren+Bailey · Sep 12, 2006

Saje said:

Great Observation, Saje!!

RD · Sep 12, 2006

I personally feel that when people breed solely FOR colour, it does not better the breed (as the breeders of "silver labs" do. With a "rare" colour, breeders often breed inferior dogs of that colour just to get more of that colour)

"Silver" labs are a light chocolate color. This color doesn't occur very often in puppies, and it probably started with one "odd" pup in a litter. The puppy could have barely resembled a Lab, been frightened of water and had no instinct to retrieve whatsoever. But, because it was this cool silver color, an irresponsible breeder would choose to keep it and breed it later on. Maybe even find another "silver" Lab and breed it to that one, regardless of health or structure or temperament. Who cares if the dog is sound? The color will be cool.

Breeding SOLELY for a different color/appearance harms the breed. THAT is why nobody is in support of breeding dogs like Silver Labs, white Boxers, albino Dobermans, brindle Pugs etc.

Zoom · Sep 12, 2006

You want to know why silver breeders don't knock the three colors? It's because THEY CAN'T. The 3 colors have a long, established and documented history and standard behind them, whereas the silvers just popped up out of nowhere one day and someone decided it'd be a good idea to make a hefty buck on them as "rare" color.

Do those occasional silvers deserve good homes? You betcha they do. Just like every other dog out there. Do they deserve to be bred? Nope.

fastpitchchic · Sep 12, 2006

Saje said:

Mulitiple Personality Disorder maybe?

Dizzy · Sep 12, 2006

Zoom said:

What dog "deserves" to be bred?

Colour is one thing.

Just because the AKC (or whatever) says it is wrong, is bull crap.

If they turned around and said - hey - please can we just have HEALTHY dogs irrelevant of "mis marks" or wrong colours it would go a LONG way into BETTERING these poor poor breeds

Zoom · Sep 12, 2006

Sorry, should have said "need"? Or perhaps just "should they be bred?"

The answer is still no anyway it was phrased.

silverbest · Sep 12, 2006

fastpitchchic said:

I am not sure what you are implying as Pete and I were on together at the same time all afternoon. I also am not sure if you are trying to suggest we are one in the same but I live about 9 hours south of Pete...so we either have supper long arms or something really strange is happening.

Like I said I have a pet. I know Pete and his family; wonderful people and I believe they are doing nothing wrong.

This is my opinion.

I am entitled to mine as much as you are to yours.

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