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lol sorry about the errant 's' Sara.

Bulky muscle isn't better than lean muscle. Why would Danes NEED bulky muscle. I agree Classic doesn't look underconditioned, just young. (which is likely why he looked feminine and made my 's' show up for 'she' vs 'he' :p )
Hahaha, no biggie. We always joke that he's the "elegant" male dane. Not the first time he was mistaken for a bitch, especially when he was still young.. Now he's a bit bulkier and recognizable as a male.
 

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lol sorry about the errant 's' Sara.

Bulky muscle isn't better than lean muscle. Why would Danes NEED bulky muscle.
Just as we still span jacks to make sure they would actually fit in a hole even though there are maybe a dozen dedicated diggers in this side of Atlantic, bulk has a purpose when applied to hunting boar or even supporting the massive frame of a dane through the tumbles of life as a hunting dog.

I realize we pay a brief nod to this heritage in both jacks and the dane as neither are truly by numbers hunting dogs anymore vs couchwarmers but it is part of "breed type."
 

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Just as we still span jacks to make sure they would actually fit in a hole even though there are maybe a dozen dedicated diggers in this side of Atlantic, bulk has a purpose when applied to hunting boar or even supporting the massive frame of a dane through the tumbles of life as a hunting dog.

I realize we pay a brief nod to this heritage in both jacks and the dane as neither are truly by numbers hunting dogs anymore vs couchwarmers but it is part of "breed type."
I agree fully with you on this. The show world however does not. Hence the thread topic.
 

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I am glad boxers are not "supposed" to be a fat breed.... ugh I can't even imagine seeing a fat roly poly boxer. Good thing it is easier to keep them lean than it is to fatten them up.

I find it incredibly ridiculous that people would put unnecessary weight on their dogs JUST for the show ring. At this point I think it should be common knowledge that being overweight is not healthy, so why would you do that just to get some ribbons.
 

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Just as we still span jacks to make sure they would actually fit in a hole even though there are maybe a dozen dedicated diggers in this side of Atlantic, bulk has a purpose when applied to hunting boar or even supporting the massive frame of a dane through the tumbles of life as a hunting dog.

I realize we pay a brief nod to this heritage in both jacks and the dane as neither are truly by numbers hunting dogs anymore vs couchwarmers but it is part of "breed type."
Considering the number of dogs who enter the working classes at JRT trials (which means you have to be a proven worker in the field.. which means the dog has to hunt well enough that it proved itself in front of a judge to suitable quarry) I think its more than a nod. In fact I would say the number of working JRTs far far outnumbers the hunting danes.

My point being that you see BOTH types in working dogs. You see lean muscled hunting JRTs and bulkier ones. Even when it comes to work there is room for slightly different pheonotypes.
 

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I think it's soooo sad. I don't pay too much attention to shows but even just at the dog park, I see a lot of overweight dogs. In Petsmart the other day, there was a grossly overweight Chi. The owner clearly loved the dog and was doting over him, but giving him love with food. It's quite sad to know that dog will probably live a shorter lifespan. He probably was 8lbs overweight, and that's a lot for a Chi.

I see quite a few chunky Yorkies too. Like a lot of the bigger Yorkies who are naturally bigger but they are chubby too. Jackson is a BIG Yorkie for example but he's lean and not chubby. I met one at the dog park who was probably 20lbs and should have been, like, 12lbs. The owner did not even notice until she saw her next to Jackson and my friends Yorkies. She was like 'oh wow!' haha.

He's always looked perfect to me. My dad often says he's too skinny but I think he's just right. Most people always comment on how sharp looking of a terrier he is. Even my grandma who came into town commented on his body condition, she only sees us once a year.

Here he is from above. If he were any skinnier, I wouldn't like it. I can't even imagine fattening him up simply because someone, or a certain organization, or whatever, claimed he needed to be to win awards.
 

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I would like to interject there should be a third category, along with dogs being a certain weight for show and performance... there should also be one for dogs that look down right weird when at a good weight. lol

When Kiba and Stryder were... well fatter... the looked like what you'd expect of a schnauzer. Not obese.. but round. Now at perfect at a perfect weight... Kiba looks like a barrel with legs (she has barely any waist... and Stryder looks like a friggin wasp. So ooodddddd.

(Yeah, really nothing to add). lol
 

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ugh I can't even imagine seeing a fat roly poly boxer.
No need to imagine...



I actually did ask the owner and she said he's a boxer. I first thought maybe some sort of horrid bulldog mix.
 

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No need to imagine...



I actually did ask the owner and she said he's a boxer. I first thought maybe some sort of horrid bulldog mix.
Holy cow!! That is not a good looking dog.

I can legitimately say that's the first time I've seen that. And I'd be okay if it was the last time too lol. Even my sister's boxer, who is 7 years old and literally does not leave the house or get taken for walks, is at a good weight. I don't think she's muscular but she's not overweight.
 

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Holy cow!! That is not a good looking dog.

I can legitimately say that's the first time I've seen that. And I'd be okay if it was the last time too lol. Even my sister's boxer, who is 7 years old and literally does not leave the house or get taken for walks, is at a good weight. I don't think she's muscular but she's not overweight.
I see sooooooooo many fat boxers :( This one is about the fattest, but many are 20+ pounds overweight. Even when Gavroche was at his fattest at 67 pounds he didn't look horrible (at least as far as fat goes...he did look horrible condition-wise and naked-wise). Too fat for my liking, but not obese. He's 54 pounds now (was 52 a couple months ago but has built up some muscle now) and I think he's perfect. He's also a pretty small boxer at only 22" tall (short for a male).

This was actually 5-6 months ago before he regained his muscle
 

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Exactly, it would have been irresponsible for me to put weight on him to get him up to the preferred show weight of great danes (yes it is rolly polly fat in danes that is preferred in the ring, not muscled). Even so, there are a TON of fat 15 month old danes trotting around the ring to make them appear more mature. Young, lanky danes do not win even if they are well-muscled.
It's similar in the Amstaff world. Lots of dogs who are still young (ie: under 2) look like "mini adults" as I call them. Sako showed against a dog that was 2 months older than him at his last AKC show, and that dog looked to be about 3! I didn't realize his age til I looked at the catalog.

I like that Sako still looks like a young dog, since he IS a young dog. The dogs that looks like adults at 15 months are the ones that many times look terrible when they're 6 or older.

Like this is the most recent of Sako..



and Sako's grandpa, who is 8yrs. old:



I like that my breeder doesn't breed for this extra bulky dogs.. she wants dogs that can go in the conformation ring and win AND dogs that can work.. all of her dogs do WP, Rally, OB, Dock diving, etc.
 

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Kady- I like pittie breeders that do exactly what you described as your breeder does.
Sako and his grandpa look amazing (and grandpa has a nice coat to lol).

I've been researching Pittie breeders in Florida, and I have YET to find a breeder that doesn't have overly huge bulky dogs. I found one breeder who's dogs where so bulky, they looked like bullfrogs and their jaws...ugh.... we will just leave it at that.

Sorry to highjack the thread! lol
 

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Kady- I like pittie breeders that do exactly what you described as your breeder does.
Sako and his grandpa look amazing (and grandpa has a nice coat to lol).

I've been researching Pittie breeders in Florida, and I have YET to find a breeder that doesn't have overly huge bulky dogs. I found one breeder who's dogs where so bulky, they looked like bullfrogs and their jaws...ugh.... we will just leave it at that.

Sorry to highjack the thread! lol
Thanks :)

I know of a breeder (VERY small scale) in FL too that has very nice dogs (including one of Sako's sisters).. just sayin' ;)
 

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Thanks :)

I know of a breeder (VERY small scale) in FL too that has very nice dogs (including one of Sako's sisters).. just sayin' ;)
AH! Why must you torture me? :p
I would like info on said breeder, so feel free to PM me :D
 

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I LOVE SAKO, He is just too darn good looking, its a sin!

Teagan did not reach her appropriate weight until she hit about 2yrs old and I started her on raw, then she really started to fill out. Before that she was always very muscular and in shape (still is) but it was really hard to keep weight on her and she was super, super skinny. You could easily feel her ribs and every other bone in her body.

Now, since starting her on raw and her maturing physically you can still easily feel her ribs, but she has more "bulk" to her.
 

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It's been a whirlwind battle keeping weight on my malinois, even harder keeping Backup muscled.

My pit bulls are on the skinny side of weight. I don't work them enough to be properly muscled and they're old rescues so I'd rather they not have any additional weight on their joints.

Those in mind though I still cringe sometimes when people get up in arms and begin to expect all dogs to be as lean as a bully or a sight hound. Some dogs function better, look better, and are healthier with a bit more meat on their body. I have seen too many people take this wide pendulum swing away from the obese dogs and maintain a too-skinny dog.

Find the right place for your dog and sport them, show them, whatever. Don't bend to the popular vote, it's not always healthy, be it fat or skinny.
 

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AH! Why must you torture me? :p
I would like info on said breeder, so feel free to PM me :D
PMing you now :)

What venues do you show Sako in? He looks great.
He's dual registered with UKC & AKC, so both of those :) He's done very well in UKC (working on GRCH right now), and even got his first AKC point over the dog I mentioned a few posts back (the one who was much.. bulkier than him). Still has a lot of filling out to do, but I think he'll always remain more "Terrier" looking than some of the Amstaffs you see today.

I could register him in ADBA, but I don't know that he'd do well there.. although his mom went to play around and ended up winning a few classes, so you never know! Thank you though!

I LOVE SAKO, He is just too darn good looking, its a sin!

Teagan did not reach her appropriate weight until she hit about 2yrs old and I started her on raw, then she really started to fill out. Before that she was always very muscular and in shape (still is) but it was really hard to keep weight on her and she was super, super skinny. You could easily feel her ribs and every other bone in her body.

Now, since starting her on raw and her maturing physically you can still easily feel her ribs, but she has more "bulk" to her.
LOL, thanks :) The bad thing is that he knows he's handsome.. he has quite the ego!

I'm starting him on raw soon (just waiting for his kibble to be finished), and I can't wait to see how it affects him. Hoping he doesn't drop weight when I first switch him, since we do have a show coming up in Feb. But, I'm going to do it anyway and hope that he looks better than ever!
 

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