Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Lizmo, Nov 6, 2006.
See I was asking b/c it would probably be at least 9 to 10 years before I get this dog Just probably
LOL, well then you've got a bit of time .
It is my dream to show dogs too, but just like you it would be some time before I can as well. I am wanting a very popular breed to, a Lab, lol. I love labs, and that is what I have my heart set on showing some day. So go for a golden if its what you realy want. I like goldens to, but I perfer shorter hair, espicially if im going to be showing, it would be much easier to have a dog that doesnt require alot of grooming. Have you considered a Lab as well? they have a lot in common to the golden, in personality, and even looks. I still am going to do more research on different breeds, there is so many I've been thinking about, but I still cant resist the lab.
I am looking at differnt breeders right now, and have a few I like so far. Have you found any breeders you like yet?
when i was looking for a show kennel for my future sheltie, a good idea is to find a website which shows the local show results, so you can see which dogs are placing, there will normally be a pattern from certain kennels,
breed clubs normally have one of these pages
then you want to get hold of one of these kennels
Here are a couple
Yeah go through a superintendent. I use onofrio for the most part. But it really depends on the area. Onofrio is out of OK city I think.
Here's a list of all AKC liscensed superintendents-
Most people I know use infodog and onofrio. Though Onofrio is prone to quite a few spelling mistakes. Beau Sr. was always listed as Ch Ridge Bean Diddly instead of Ch Southridge Beau Diddly when Beau's sister was showing.
Okay I am new to this so what am I looking for in these Websites?
Sorry but I have NO idea what a superintendent is in a dog show?
Actually I like the hair on the Golden
Oh I know there are other breeds that I like but the Gldens are REALLY stunning dogs in shows that really stand out to me
I think that it would be great if you could show too!
What you're looking for on the websites is a pattern as to who is winning most frequently in show results (you'll see a few kennel names pop up over and over again)- generally there WILL be a pattern and it's a good place to start when looking for a quality Golden. It certainly isn't the be-all-end-all though- don't ever base your decision to purchase a puppy from a breeder *purely* on the number of winners they have. There are a fair number of breeders that are producing a lot of winners for reasons OTHER than their superior breeding programs.
If you're looking at getting your next dog in 9-10 years then consider yourself lucky. NOW is the time to start meeting with Golden breeders, and getting to know them. Go to as many shows as you can. Talk with these people, tell them about your intentions, and make it crystal clear how much you want to be involved in this breed. If you find a breeder you really like- offer them your services (free of charge), as kennel help. Cleaning up after dogs, socializing puppies, holding dogs at ringside, etc. It all needs to be done, and VERY few young people these days are willing to get involved so deeply without some sort of reimbursement. I GUARANTEE along the road you will pick up tricks of the trade that will be absolutely invaluable to you in showing Goldens. Grooming, stacking, presentation, spotting faults in animals- you can learn a TON in 9 years, and all of this without having a dog of your own.
By the end of this time you'll be more ready to hit the ring than most newbies, AND you'll have the added advantage of being able to get a puppy from a breeder that will be more willing to entrust you with a FANTASTIC prospect.
Co-ownerships are another good way to go. I have my girl on a co-ownership, and it's been a fantastic arrangement. It's imperative that you get EVERYTHING in writing, and agree on it ALL however, in order to prevent potentially nasty situations fron developing.
Good luck- you've chosen a tough breed to get into as a newbie, but it will make your successes all that much sweeter!
Tempura, thank you SO much....
On the wbsite...sorry I did not make this clear but....how do you find where these Kennel names are and there dogs?
Right now I am 13....and so it would probably be another 1 to 2 years before I can REALLY get involved in helping breeders out with pups, showing, ect....want to wait till I am 16 and can drive
Also if any ones knows any GOOD showing Kennels in the Southeast Alabama area...PLEASE PM me and tell!
Oh and I NEVER thought about helping the breeders at ring side and with pups and grooming! That is a GREAT GREAT idea!!
The best way I can explain how to find the kennel names is by telling you what I did when looking for my breeder.
Go to the American Kennel Club website. There's a section titled "Events and Awards" and within that there is a search function, that allows you to find past events. You fill out what you're looking for (the state, what type of event- in your case it will be "conformation," and the time range- something like "from now to 3 months ago" should do the trick). From there, it will pull up a list of shows that occured within that time frame that meet your criteria. Click on the link on any one of the shows it's pulled up that says "view event results." Then you can simply click on the Sporting Group, and then Goldens.
It will give the names of Goldens that have placed. The kennel names will proceed each dog's name. For example- if I was competing with my Shiba boy (who is neutered, but that's not the point ) You would see his name as "San Jo Yuki Mai Tai."
San Jo is the kennel name, and is used on EVERY dog that the breeder breeds. When I was looking for Shiba breeders I noticed that locally, "San Jo" was popping up OVER and OVER again with BOBs and group placements. I had a pretty good feeling this breeder was producing some outstanding winners. So I met them in person, and went from there.
If you keep seeing "Goldspun" (just making up a name for the sake of the example), in front of winner after winner's name- you'll want to take a closer look at that breeder's program.
As a thirteen year old- you're the perfect age to start Jr. handling as well. This is a competition based PURELY on the presentation skills of the child handler, and has nothing to do with (or isn't SUPPOSED to have anything to do with) the quality of the dog. All you need is a purebred dog that belongs to you in order to compete. (It must be registered with AKC as well). It's a great way to start learning handling NOW, even when you don't have your Golden puppy.
If you don't have a purebred you can also try 4-H which does a similar Jr. handling competition, but allows mixed breed dogs.
I think it would be a great idea if you're interested. And would look VERY good to Golden breeders when the time comes.
Here are some of the breeders that I pulled off of Onofrio.
I have no idea on the overall quality of these breeders, but it's fun to look at different kennels.
Thanks Showpug!!! You are helping me SO much even though you may not know it!
Oh Okay!!! Thanks!!
So 4-H allows mixed breeds? WOW!!! That is AWSOME to know!
So if I understand this right......you could compete with a mix and still win? So what are the judges looking for than? How you handle the dog?
What we did also was go to a local show and look at dogs around there. We found one lady whose dogs we really liked and it ended up we got beau's breeder's number from her. We looked at a bunch of other local breeders, but we ended up going with her.
Have you checked out this site at all? It might help. PCA was really helpful to me.
don't limit yourself to dogs just in your area,
you should learn the golden standard so you know what to look for in a dog
you should research the history of the breed,
what kennels were top,
what kennels are top
what kennels are getting to the top
if theres a kennel that was producing high quality dogs, that has now stopped breeding, then you might want that kennel in the pedigree of your puppy somewhere,
there might be a certain dog/bitch you want in your pedigree,
there might be a certain dog/bitch you want a puppy from,
you should do amazingly large amount of research into the goldens, and just everything about them, and showing them.
you need to know what to look for in a good breeder most especially
Steve, do NOT worry I will do TONS of research on Goldens!!! Not saying that I do not know anything about Goldens but I need and want to do more research on the breed before I even go to a Kennel and talk to them
Yes- you can compete with a mix and still win. This is because Jr. Handling (ESPECIALLY in 4-H), is all about the skills of the young handler- how well they present their animal. Depending on what breed your dog most closely resembles (say it's a GSD mix), you would handle your dog as people in the German Shepherd ring would traditionally handle their dogs. The emphasis is put completely on you- and your knowledge of dog-care and breeds (if I'm correct).
That sounds really cool....although I know that Lizzie could probably never do it.......maybe...She is a border collie mix...but I think that it would be to much for....but than again maybe would have a ball....she LOVES to show off...and strut her stuff
Is there an age limit for the dog? and How old do the Handlers have to be?
And where would I find info on this? The AKC?
As to finding a good Kennel .... your Alabama Golden Club should give you a list of good available litters.
Tempura, I tried going to the AKC website and doing what you said.....well it seems to not be working for me
So I was wondering if some one could tell me how to use the site Showpug listed
There isn't an age limit for the dog in Jr. Showmanship.
For handlers I believe it's 9 years of age, with eligibility remaining until the day you turn 18.
If your girl is a mixed breed you'll have to compete in 4H (AKC requires the dog be purebred), which is a seperate entity entirely from AKC. I've never actually participated in 4H myself, so I would suggest searching it on the internet. You'll need to find a 4H group in your area (which shouldn't be too difficult to do).
And you never know- your girl might very well like to "play show dog." At the very least, practicing with a difficult dog will make you THAT MUCH BETTER at handling. Good judges recognize the difference between a handler that works hard with their dog and has a real bond, and those that have a push-button dog, one that shows itself. (You'll find a LOT more of these in AKC Jr. handling, where many of the kids "sign on" to fabulous dogs that are already champions).