Show Dobes For Sale

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  1. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Jazz's breeder has two boys for sale. They are most likely show dogs. We will know on Monday if they are in fact show quality. I have posted the pedigree below. The dam won her class at the national, and her litermate beat her for winers bitch. The dad also won his class at national. I can e-mail you pics and more info on the family and offspring. PM me or e-mail me for more info on them. foxypartychic@hotmail.com

    Located in Alberta. Posible shipping.

    The sire and dam names are wrong on there. Lance (on the pedigree) is littermate to Thor who is this litter's sire.

    Daci who is the dam on the pedigree is littermate to Maggie, who is the actual dam of this litter.

    DOB Feb 13th, 2006.

    I will scan in a actual right pedigree, avalible to those who contact me. The cousin to this litter recently when Best of Breed as a 8 month old puppy.

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  2. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    Any pics of them?
     
  3. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    I have some pics of them from about 2 weeks ago. We went to see them on Thursday and Dan is going to e-mail me pics of them that were taken then. 5 week grading is on Monday so I will bring my cam and have pics of them up late monday afternoon
     
  4. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Two Days Old:

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    A few weeks Old

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    Better, recent pics to come
     
  5. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    Awwww they're so cute... I love dobes... I wish I could have another dog! lol. Looking forward to seeing the other pics!:)
     
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    I always question the show quality label untill a pup is a lot older.
     
  7. No one can say if any dog is "show quality" (which means different things to different people) at 6, 8, 10, 12 weeks of age.

    Breeders who are familiar with their lines can make an EDUCATED GUESS. There is always first dentition to wait for, and then breed type and maturity.

    Puppies are show PROSPECTS.
     
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    SummerRiot Dog Show Addict

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    This is very true.

    Our Sheltie breeder told us that Crosby and Jada were show prospects.
    Crosby grew oversize.. they were right about Jada though :)

    My belgian Breeder on the other hand told me about Riots few flaws and she was 100% correct about them. easy/west front feet and a long back. When he was a pup he had crooked bottom teeth lol they straightened out though when the adults came in.
     
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    Why are these puppies available? surely a responsible breeder would have a good waiting list BEFORE breeding?IMO

    Mo
     
  10. I'd like to know the breeder's thought processes on putting together this half sib inbreeding.

    There is another breeding planned in the near future, and these puppies are not even placed?
     
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    actually this is a quasi- repeat breeding.

    he already breeding two littermates of the sire and dam in that pedigree, for a second litter.

    why breed the exact same match up again?
     
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    Because he didnt want to breed Daci again and he had a breeding agrement with Maggies new owner. She wanted her spayed ASAP so dan reasoned with her about this litter.

    Thor and Maggie are a better match than say Lance and Maggie. Same bloodlines different dogs.

    Not to mention I LOVE the way Striker and Laya turned out of the Daci/Lance litter
     
  13. Jenn, what, in your opinion, are good reasons to select a dog to use it for breeding?
     
  14. JennSLK

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    Red why do I allways have to defend EVERYTHING with you? If I like a dog, i's allways, What are his good points and bad points? Well maybe I just like him.

    A dog needs to be titled. For show breeding it needs a CH, or for a working it needs a working title, apropriate to the breed.

    They need to have passed any and all health tests with flying colors.

    Minumal health problems in the line. For exapmple you whouldnt breed a dog that has MAJOR heart problems in the line.

    They need to be great examples of the breed, both in temperment and conformation.
     
  15. Lexus

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    I'd take Reds advice that she offers and questions into consideration. There is a lot to be gained from her experience. IMO I'd try not to get defensive. I don't feel that she is coming at you for those reasons. I feel that you are a novice and it shows, and that you are wanting to get involved with some serious stuff. Breeding for one is very serious.

    By accepting wisdom and learning from people like her, it will help you to learn what to look for in a dog in the future and to critique them.

    In selecting a dog for breeding (a very serious venue) then YES I do believe that you should be able to cite all points good and bad about that animal at the drop of a hat, rather then just that you like them.
     
  16. Jenn, learning the good, mediocre points on a dog, and what is undesireable, or needs improvement, is how you learn a breed. It's how you learn correct structure and type.

    These are the things you should be asking and discussing with your mentor.

    I'm not trying to be on your case, only trying to get you to reach out and grow, and think.
     
  17. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Red, I know you are trying to teach me stuff, but the way it comes across to me is almost mean. I knwo you dont meen it that way. I know i have ALOT to learn and I have eyars to learn it.

    Im just dealing with some heavy stuff in my life right now, so Im a little defensive.
     
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    why do you think its ok to breed dobermans for show and other dobermans for work?

    isnt the breed a WORKING breed?

    why is it ok for a show dog to not have any working ability, or to encourage that?
     
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    I'm hardly an expert on Dobes (Far from it) But why on earth does a dog need to be titled to be bred from :confused: Not only are you limiting your options you are limiting the gene pool in which you are using. There will be some fine examples who just never made it to the show ring because their owner didn't want to show...etc....Only breeding from CH dogs is a very narrow minded view, and CH dogs dont always produce quality pups :rolleyes:
     
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    By breeding dogs (any breed) that get titled, it is certain that the dog being bred is put together at the breed should be to properly function as it should.

    Hypothetically, if a dog is bred that was never shown, yeah the owner can look at the dog, and say "Hey it's a dobe, looks fine to me", but form fits function, without being critiqued by that expert eye, they just can't know if the dog is built correctly or if there are pysical faults that will come out twice as faulty in a litter of pups, especially if the stud dog's owner feels the same way, and also breeds a faulty dog they feel is just fine.
     

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