actually i have been looking at shelties for about 2 months now, i would like one to do conformation, agility, obediance, mainly and maybe tracking, but i want to get from a kennel that has titles in the first 3!, i ofcourse still only have a small puppy so this wouldnt be for another atleast 2 years, and ofcourse all decent show kennels have waiting lists, especially for first pick of a show prospect and apparently its goin to be had for me to find someone who has titles in conformation, obediance, and has health testing. And Summer you probably dont no it but all the information you have put on this board about shelties has really helped me to learn alot about the breed and it just makes me want one more, the only bit that gets me in the standard is the height Ideal height at withers: dogs: 37 cms (141/2 ins); bitches: 36 cms (14 ins). More than 21/2 cms (1 in) above or below these heights highly undesirable. i mean it must be pretty common for a dog to come about a inch out, but then i spose if both the parents had CH and i got first pick i should get one that comes in the guidlines right? i want to compete in agility, obedience, conformation, tracking, and do stuff like good citizen. so people with shelties just like tell me bout them and stuff! i'm pratically decided on shelties anyway lol! although does anyone have a picture of a shelties standing next to someone because i am getting confused with like the size. Thanks!!!!!