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  1. stevinski

    stevinski Int CH - $uperBitch

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    actually i have been looking at shelties for about 2 months now, i would like one to do conformation, agility, obediance, mainly and maybe tracking, but i want to get from a kennel that has titles in the first 3!, i ofcourse still only have a small puppy so this wouldnt be for another atleast 2 years, and ofcourse all decent show kennels have waiting lists, especially for first pick of a show prospect and apparently its goin to be had for me to find someone who has titles in conformation, obediance, and has health testing.

    And Summer you probably dont no it but all the information you have put on this board about shelties has really helped me to learn alot about the breed and it just makes me want one more,

    the only bit that gets me in the standard is the height

    Ideal height at withers: dogs: 37 cms (141/2 ins); bitches: 36 cms (14 ins). More than 21/2 cms (1 in) above or below these heights highly undesirable.

    i mean it must be pretty common for a dog to come about a inch out, but then i spose if both the parents had CH and i got first pick i should get one that comes in the guidlines right?

    i want to compete in agility, obedience, conformation, tracking, and do stuff like good citizen.

    so people with shelties just like tell me bout them and stuff! i'm pratically decided on shelties anyway lol!

    although does anyone have a picture of a shelties standing next to someone because i am getting confused with like the size.

    Thanks!!!!!:) :) :)
     
  2. stevinski

    stevinski Int CH - $uperBitch

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    also can you guys like explain ear bracing because its essentail for the show ring isnt it?
     
  3. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    I love those furry little guys. :D

    Here are some pictures of Shelties beside people:

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    yuh thats wat i thought cause this women had a sheltie pup and this adult dog and i said your shelties are soo cute and then my mate goeslike lassie, and i go lassie was a rough collie, and the lady goes her adult dog was a rough collie and i was like, i c , cause the dog wasnt that big, and i was like ok
     
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    Stevinski,

    Didn't you just get a puppy :confused: ?

    If so, then why not concentrate on your current dog as opposed to getting a new one? And if you must, there are plenty in shelters.

    www.petfinder.com

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  6. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    I believe he was thinking of a sheltie for a future dog, not any time soon. There is nothing wrong with early research. :)
     
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    I can give you this about sizes from my book:

    Described as a small breed, the dog should stand between 13 and 16 inches at the shoulder. Note: height is determined by a line perpendicular to the ground from the top of the shoulder blades. Disqualification - heights below or above the desired range are to be disqualified from the show ring.

    Not sure where abouts you are but in cm's that is: 33 cm - 41 cm.

    Penny is 17 inches (43 cm) at the shoulder (measured her again lol) for a female sheltie that is just way too tall, you can see the difference in her head too I find her muzzle seems a lot bigger than some of the dainty tiny shelties I've seen around.

    I think a lot of it has to do with getting a good breeder! I'm going back to mine to (finally!) pick up Penny's papers and plan to have another look around because from what I remember Penny's parents are about the same size as she is.

    If I were you when you get closer to wanting to get your sheltie I'd go around and talk to different breeders, go to shows, that way you really get an idea of what they are supposed to look like and how tall/small they can be.

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    Penny on my lap.
     
  8. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    Awww, that's a cute picture. :)
     
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    Hey Steve!

    hehe Aww, I'm glad I could help you out a bit! :)
    Sheltie Ear gluing is ESSENTIAL for a future show puppy. BUT you have to glue them correctly, or you'll mess up the ear structure for later on.
    SO.. get a VERY knowledgable breeder in this. Also, after the initial gluing.. the ears do come loose and need continual touch ups.
    I have a video of "how to glue a shelties ears" that I made for cowgirl that I posted. I'll find the link and post in here for you.
    Its just a rough idea of how you should do it. Riots rolling around in the background distracting Jada lol And I couldn't film the actual "gluing" process only the before and after with explinations inbetween lol I was the only one doing the videoing.. ohh not to mention there are spelling mistakes in it hahaha
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=H8nQuciBSYg

    Anyways, about the heigh issues. The breeders can take an "educated guess" on what the dogs finishing height might be from measurements when they are a certain age.
    Believe it or not.. Crosbie wasn't supposed to go overstandard. Hes now 1.5" above standard. lol Thats a BIG sheltie :)
    You have to look at the Shelties mom and dad for personality as well. Becarful not to get a puppy from a timid or shy mother. Shelties are sometimes known to be fairly timid if not properly socilized as a young puppy.

    I think you are in the States.. this is taken straight off of the AKC website for size standards for Shelties.

    Showing Shelties is touch competition over here. At Riots last show there were around 12 Shelties entered. There were only 5 Belgians entered. The good thing is that if you get a nice Sheltie with good structure and movement, you will gain points quickly. If you have a sheltie that has one flaw such as a bad looking stop(part on their head) and your against other shelties that have minimal flaws, it will be extremely hard to rank in points towards their CH title.
    Our breeders think that Jada will achieve her CH title, but because she is a rather "plain" Sheltie with no fancy markings about her and a foxy face it might be harder for her, just meaning it will take longer.

    Although, if you get a nice looking Sheltie, you can kick butt in the show ring!
    Riot has been beat out by a Sheltie twice in group placings! lol Judges LOVE Shelties lmao

    AKC standards

    If Crosby was smaller, he would have placed VERY well.

    Another thing if you want to show your Sheltie.. hook up with a professional handler/groomer for a Sheltie. It takes HOURS to properly prep a Sheltie for the show ring! lol SOO much bodifyer in that mane of theirs lol
    There is also specific ways to trim their fur as well to either hide or accent certain faults or advantages.

    Shelties do VERY well at agility, as well as obedience. Obedience takes consistancy along with quantity. For a properly trained obedience Sheltie it takes practicing each day on certain things for your CD, CDX or UD. Even if it is only 5 minutes.. just always finish on a good note :)
    With Shelties.. comes consistant BARKING! lol If you can train your Sheltie to quite "talking back to you" during Agility, this will aid you more. The more they bark, they more they dont really have their full attention on you. Just something to remember.
    As for tracking, i'm sure they could do it. Its just something that they weren't bred for and I think it will be highly unlikely(yet could be possible) to find a kennel that has AN, CD,CH AND Tracking titles. I'm sure they are out there though.
    Mostly kennels concentrade on Obedience and Conformation with the occational Agility.

    Any other questions that I missed? :)

    OHHH forgot to add as well. Have you decided on what colour of Sheltie you'd like? There are many acceptable colours to choose from.

    Here is from the AKC
    For Sables, the different shades of the tan colour, depend on what colour "factored" them out. For example. Jada and Crosbie are from a "tri-factored Sable bitch). Meaning, their grandmother was a tri, but their mother was a sable. This is why you see such a dark colouring on Crosbie and jada when you see them in pics. They have "almost black" streaks in places. A pure sable won't have such a dark overlay on them.
    Blues are also allowed to have blue eyes.
     
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    awwww summer your babies are so patient getting their ears glued!!! I just loved watching that video. We tried with Penny but she seemed soooo annoyed by it that we decided to just let it go, we weren't planning on showing her anyway. First they stayed up for a while, then one went down, then they switched but in the end they both stayed down. A sheltie down the street from us has prick ears, she didn't like the ear-glueing thing either but hers never went down anymore. Both of your shelties are just gorgeous! Penny's coat is starting to look quite awful!! We haven't changed her food or anything, maybe it's just coz it's summer and she's shedding quite a bit? I love crosbie's coat! They both look awesome! What food do you have them on?
    Okay will stop asking you questions now... hehe.
     
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    Shelties are sooo cute. I had one for a week when I was little. My mom thought he was too hyper so she gave him away :(
     
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    Hey Femke! :)

    You'll have to watch Pennys coat in the summer time because it can "rust" out and get a red tinge to it. Which is usually the hair getting a little bit fried and dyed lol So just make sure she doesn't spend hours in the direct sun! :)
    Its definately shedding season for our Shelties. Jada blew her coat last week and now she is running around slightly bald lol
    Crosbie is just starting to loose chunks in his now. Females tend to blow their coat more then males. Males is about once a year, and females is about twice a year depending on heat cycles.

    All three of our dogs is on Fromm dog food for the summer/fall months, then more then likely going back to Innova Adult for the winter months. They went off the taste of Innova, but its such a good food we are going to try them on it again.

    You can PM me anytime you have a Sheltie Q :) I'm more then happy to spread the word on Shelties hehe ;)
     
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    Auscat,
    Early is always good :).
    Just telling him that he should enjoy his current puppy.

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    Harley is definetly my priority at the moment, i want to do obediance and agility with him as well, but hes a family dog, the sheltie would be mine and like i said it wont be for another 2 years and that a minimum so it could be more.

    Summer thanks for all you info!!!:)

    But unfortunatly i live in the UK and over here the standard is more strict about height, with a inch out being a major fault.

    heres wat it says:Ideal height at withers: dogs: 37 cms (141/2 ins); bitches: 36 cms (14 ins). More than 21/2 cms (1 in) above or below these heights highly undesirable

    I definetly want a sable or with a colour like jadas cause shes gorgeous. I don't want a merle for my first sheltie as there is more health issues and the coat can change with age and go out of standard, as only cetain markings are acceptible on a merle, so at the mo i looking at a sable or tri-factor sable, maybe a tri-colour but it depends on the kennel i go for.
     
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    oy so that is what's happened! I remember the other thread a while ago about how a lot of tri shelties don't really have a black black coat no more, but Penny always had! up until she went through her first heat and then all of a sudden in the middle on her back she got a big rust spot. It's gotten worse which I figure is probably from the sun then. Good thing she isn't a showdog hehe. And thanks for telling me about the coat thing because i was getting kind of worried with the amount of hair she was losing. I started looking at pictures of her parents and saw how much hair they had! but that was still during winter time so that makes sense now. She's not getting bald spots or anything but her coat is just a looot thinner than it was. thanks again!

    and sorry steve didn't mean to use your thread for my own info!
     
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    thts okay!!!!!
    its all about shelties soo anything goes lol!
     
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    btw how many people on here actually have shelties and what colour???? :)
     
  18. LabBreeder

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    stevinski - FYI: just because a sire and dam are CH and within the height (required by UK shows) doesn't mean the pups will come out that way.
     
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    Is that really true? I've never heard that before. Coat color should be unrelated to other genetic defects, right? :confused:

    Skye is a bi-blue. Oh, and he has one ear that goes up and one that goes down. :p

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  20. LabBreeder

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    WOW Skye is beautiful! :)

    But yes, some breeds have coat color related issues. Yellow Labs, for example, are more prone to sun burn, skin conditions, skin cancer from sun exposure, etc. due to the light pigment. (Or so I've heard!)
     

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