Seems a little high for instinct testing.

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  1. Upendi&Mina

    Upendi&Mina Mainstreme Elitist

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    I just got off the phone with a local man who owns a sheep farm. I had called about doing an instinct test with Mina. I know the odds are against her having any natural instinct on sheep being she's an aussiexlab, but it's worth a shot right? And if she enjoys it whats the harm.

    The thing is, he wants $100 just to do an instinct test. Now I'm not familiar with this, but it seems it would be a bit high?
     
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    Not really, there is more involved in the test than putting your dog out in a pasture with the sheep and letting him go. He has to consider the safety of his animals, the impact an untrained dog might have on his animals, and the safety of your dog. A frirend of mine does herding with 2 border collies and he gives lessions. He charges 35 for a session and the session is about 15-20 minutes total. He also charges for a basic temperament test/evaluation before the dog is even allowed in the pasture. If he has to work your dog because you are not in good enough shape to do it yourself, it's double the cost.
     
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    The thing is, the way he does his instinct test was explained to me this way. 'It's pretty simple, you'll bring your dog in on a leash and see if she shows any interest in the sheep and that's it.'
     
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    if thats really all it is.. walking your leashed dog passed some sheep, i would say that $100 is way too high.

    for that,I would just walk my dog passed a petting zoo or something lol or find someone with a farm that would be willing to let you come visit

    now, if your dog was going to be in a pasture with them off lead... then I would understand. because then the fee would also include vetcare or something in case your dog nips one of his sheep or something
     
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    I don't think that's super high for an instinct herding test from things I've heard my breeder friend mention.

    JMHO.
     
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    I've never had my dogs tested, but want to....

    but IF that really is all he does... that does seem like a lot.... and I agree with Fran, I'd walk him past a petting zoo! LOL.
     
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    Way too high. Stay far, far away, IMO. Where are you? I might be able to give you some contact info for some one in your area that would be reputable.
     
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    Kacee is a GSDx Lab and she has a full on herding instinct.

    Theres this Goat (yea, A goat) that comes up from one of my "neighbors" yard. and It comes up and attacks myself and keely. And When kacee is hear she herds it out the drive way ! haha.. But the first time I noticed her herding was when we were wlalking the strawberry farm road and we went so far it that we got to the owners animal farm (He doesnt mind, I go see the horses all the time) And we walked past the sheep and she wanted in the gate! lol... The guy came out and we brought her in (ON leash) and she was trying to herd .. I did mine for free though :p.. but a hundred bucks seems pretty cheap IMO.. There are certain risks involved for the sheeo owner.
     
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    I'm in southwest PA Lizmo, about equal distances from Pittsburgh and Harrisburg! I'd appreciate any info you might have.

    Babymomma - If Mina were to be off leash at anytime I can understand the risk, but as it is all I'm basically going to do there is walk her past some old ewes.
     
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    Well, for one thing, that doesn't even qualify as an instinct test. I don't know what can be tested just by walking a leashed dog past the sheep. And 100 does sound pretty steep, and way too high if that's really all he'll do with her.

    An instinct test does require the dog to be in the pen with the stock, and might initially begin on leash to make sure the dog has some control, but more likely is loose or dragging a longline. To instinct test, you need to see more than whether or not the dog will turn her head to look at sheep. You need to see if the dog will chase, gather, drive, etc.
     
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    That's what I thought, but when he explained it this is exactly what he said "It's pretty simple, you'll bring your dog in on a leash and we'll see if she has any interest in sheep"
     
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    go watch some other ones first. Maybe he just doesn't care to elaborate too much on the phone because he's had a thousand people call him in the past wanting an evaluation over the phone. It happens. It's normal to have questions, but I can't blame some people when they get burned out sometimes.

    People have a thousand questions on the phone about schutzhund all we really say is bring them out and we'll see if they have drive. They want a 30 minute explanation about what that means, and really I don't have time to explain it to every person that calls. I have my own dogs, others to train, a "regular" job, work on the house, football games to get to, whatever. the person will learn more if they show up anyway, and if some are turned off by it, so be it.

    I only have so much time and if they don't want to "waste" any time to come out just to see what its like, odds are they probably wouldn't stick with it for longer than a couple weeks anyway. I don't have time for that.

    so yeah, ask if you can come without a dog and watch. you spend some time, save the money and see what's involved. Maybe a learn a bit. If all he does is let people walk by his sheep on a leash for a hundred bucks, move along.
     
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    Honestly, I don't get the point of an 'instinct test'. You really won't know how well your dog will work till after a few times of working. Of course you'd know if they are interested or not with the first exposure, but charging $100 for that? That's highway robbery. IMO, you should only charge the price of a training lesson (around here it's about $40).
     
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    True, although sometimes an instinct test alone tells all...Ares did amazingly on his instinct test. The tester almost used him at the end of the day to help put the sheep back in the barn. :D

    I tested Nyx in my front yard on geese, and am now dying to get her to a herding trainer.
     
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    That's high for this state at least. It was $40-$50 depending on which farm I wanted to go to for the test and that's an hour of the trainer 1 on 1 with my dog.
     
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    I've never paid more than $30 for an instinct test ... and these were sanctioned events that led to instinct certificates.
     
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    thinking about this a little more, maybe he charges 100 bucks to keep the people who aren't serious from wasting his time? maybe he gets a ton of calls, sets up appointments and people don't show, or whatever. i also think a good evaluator will be able to tell if a dog has the instinct to do it within a few minutes, it doesn't have to be something that takes several sessions. pretty much the same with protection training- either they have it or they don't. some dogs you can bring it out but they'll never be as good as the ones who take to it right away.
     
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    In the case of my herding trainer, Nat, instinct testing is very important as to whether she will take a dog on to work or not. It may sound elitist, but it isn't. Nat works with any dog that will show sound instinct on sheep. She's even trained dogs that are not any inkling of a herding breed, just for a fun activity that their owners can do with them.

    Not all dogs will work well, but many work with their owners for fun. And t make sure everyone has fun, a proper instinct test is vital.

    To answer the OP, I can really only echo others. Finn's instinct evaluation was an hour long, and involved some time on the long line to review his reactions. Once she decided his reactions were good, she took him off leash and worked him a little. The whole hour was spent on sheep, and she learned a lot in that hour about how hard/soft he was, the things we would have to focus on in training, and things he was good at. We chatted afterwards for a good half hour.

    It was $40.
     
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    But the only thing an 'instinct test' will tell you is....if they have an interest in stock.
     
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    Heck when I was in Brookville PA at my friends farm where he has cattle Lola had an interest in them when I took her up the hill to see them and it did not cost me a dime to do that. We were about 10 feet away from the gate and one was right behind the gate. As she was sitting there watching him and he was standing there watching her he (was the bull) let out a big moo, Lola jumped back about 2 feet and started barking at him :rofl1:
     

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