Satin Balls or Fat Balls

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  1. Cardiparty

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    Does anyone have a good recipe for Satin Balls?
     
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    This is the recipe I used:

    1 pound cheap hamburger (for high fat %)
    1 1/3 cups Total cereal
    1 1/2 cups uncooked oatmeal
    1 raw egg
    6 tablespoons wheat germ
    1 package Knox unflavored gelatin
    2 tablespoons oil
    2 tablespoons unsulphured molasses
    Pinch of salt

    Which seems to be the most typical one? It got her to gain weight so that was all I cared about!
     
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    Thank you so much! Yeah, Lil' Sis is growing like a weed and I'd feel better if she was a little heavier.
     
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    i strongly recommend against putting even so much as 2 ounces of extra weight on a growing dwarf breed
     
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    Oh, that's interesting. I've never heard that.

    I have been told to be careful on stairs and to make sure that she's excercised on grass and not pavement, but I've never had anyone say anything to me about weight on a puppy.

    Now, I keep my adult girl very trim and my puppy is on the skinny side, though she does have heavier bone then my adult which could be a part of that.

    I'll ask around and get some other opinions on that if you don't mind. Not that you are incorrect necessarily, but I'd rather get that kind of information from people I know face to face who have direct experience with raising cardigan puppies.
     
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    I definitely agree that growing puppies should be kept ribby. They're going to go through growth spurts and level out a little but... growing puppies should be kept thin. It can only help their bones develop normally.
     
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    Yes, puppies of all sorts should be lean.

    Danes are a bit different of course but with them Satin Balls are a major no til at least one, probably later.
     
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    Hey guys,

    I did ask around because I take this kind of stuff very seriously.

    The general consensus is that Cardigans should not ever be allowed to be obese, especially puppies.

    My puppy is not in any danger of being obsese and I was told that a few ounces is not going to put her in danger of any kind.

    I am not going to give her satin balls, because I was told it puts on weight very quickly and that's not really what I'm going for. I thought maybe if I gave one every day or every other day, it would probably be fine.

    But, rather then doing that, I was told that maybe it's just time to increase her food to fit her growth needs.

    I will do this carefully and incrementally as I have no desire to injure her in any way.

    I appreciate the input very much and I did learn something important. Thank you very much for posting and I appreciate the advice.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    We only did satin balls because trey was so thin in his later years. We were desperate.

    I like puppies very lean.
     
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    It does put on weight fast. I was giving Juno one a day (just like... small meatball size?) and after 1 week she had put a pound or two back on. That was what I was going for though, I was sick of her ribs and spine protruding!
     
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    That advice came to me directly FROM a Cardigan breeder, one of my dog mentors
     
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    There's no need to be snotty. I do not know you or where the advice came from. I am not a mind reader.

    So yes, of course, I'm going to ask people I know and trust rather then just some faceless poster from the internet. For all I know, you've never seen a cardigan in your life and think perhaps I'm talking about a sweater.

    I thought I was quite polite considering you provided unsolicited advice in the first place.

    I realize dog people are often unsocialized to humans, but you may want to keep in mind that you attract more flies with honey then vinegar regardless of whether you're speaking with someone face to face or from behind the screen of a computer.
     
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    Are you sure she meant that in a snotty tone? Maybe I am missing backstory or something but wow, the response by you is what seems snotty if anything. I just read the earlier response as a clarification?
     
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    YOU posted on a dog forum, soliciting advice. My reply was directly to your statement of "but I'd rather get that kind of information from people I know face to face who have direct experience with raising cardigan puppies" and Im pretty sure a breeder of Cardigans is a sound source of advice. Hell, why does somebody need to be a Cardi breeder to know how puppies should be? There isnt a single breed of puppy on this planet that should NOT be kept lean and ribby, youre getting snotty and splitting hairs asking for breed-specific advice about weight and satin balls, when the advice is really universal. Growing youngsters should be lean and hard, with not so much as one ounce of extra flesh, and this is triply important for breeds with a built-in JOINT AND BONE DEFORMITY. I love Cardis, but the reality is that dwarfism is a deformity. Its a desired one. But its still a flaw that special cares must be taken with.
     
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    I'd still like to see a few other recipes if anyone is willing to share? Bobsie could definitely use some extra weight.
    ETA do you cook them or serve raw? Sorry if that sounds totally stupid, but I don't want to do it wrong. :)
     
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    Raw :)

    There's grain free versions as well, here's one:

    1lb ground beef
    2-3 eggs with shells
    1 pint cottage cheese (full fat)
    1 envelope Knox unflavored gelatin
    2 tablespoons fish oil/coconut oil/EVOO
    2 tablespoons natural peanut butter
    2 tablespoons raw honey
     
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    Grain free was what I was after, thank you! Is there a recommendation as to how much I should feed her?
     
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    Its right powerful, make small SMALL 1 inch "meatballs" and give them 1 or 2 a day, adjust as needed. Last time I did a modified GF satin balls it was a postwhelping bitch and she got FAT while nursing 9 :yikes:
     
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    Sorry, but I do think it's snotty. To me, Frostfell came across like, "Well, how could you NOT know who I am and who my mentors are?"

    Seriously. I have no idea who she/he is and who their dogs are and who their mentors are. That's ridiculous. How am I supposed to know what he/she has experience in?

    So yeah, I'm absolutely going to check with the people I know face to face, who have been my personal mentors for years over someone with a pitbull in their avatar who may know nothing.

    Internet advice is just that, internet advice. Which I didn't ask for in the first place.

    Had I said, "Wow, what should I do here?" Then yes, please give me that Solicited advice. But, I didn't ask. I asked for a recipe, not advice on how to feed my dog.

    So, if he/she didn't mean to come across as being snotty, then that's cool with me. Intent is all well and good, but it's perception that's key.
     
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    You know, I'm getting way too uptight over something (a forum) that's supposed to be enjoyable for me. I just don't get to talk about dogs enough, I guess.

    But, it really bothers me to have my breed insulted and called "deformed" when every breed has different attributes, and some are less desirable to certain people then others. Is achondroplasia a deformity? Yes, technically it is.


    Do I need to be schooled in my breed? Yes, I'm always ALWAYS learning. But, frankly, I would never come to an internet forum for advice on something serious. Ever. I have a network of people I know and trust on a personal level for that.


    I guess I'm just one of those people who doesn't trust advice from just anyone. If I don't respect someone, I pretty much ignore what they have to say and unfortunately it takes quite a bit to earn that from me.

    Perhaps it's best for me to take a break from this place for a while. I was a lurker for a long time, and perhaps it's best to go back to that.
     

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