Discussion in 'Dog Food and Recipes' started by Saje, Sep 8, 2008.
I did not get very far with it before I had a problem with it. I like meat not meat meal and that is the first ingredient Then followed by grains. ..
Where did you buy it BM? It's a local food so I'm curious how you found it.
Well it's not being sold as a grain-free formula. And meat meal? Why would have a problem with that? Seems to me all meat is meat meal so it can be put into kibble form. Well I have no problem with the chicken meal.
I'm wondering about the long list of 'extras.'
I have not found it.. I was looking at the ingredients posted. As I said " I did not have to look far" into it..
Meat "meals" are faulted for several reasons. While its a long debate, choosing a food for my dogs, if not feeding raw, I would avoid any product that had a " meal. " Of course still not as bad as " biproduct".
Several times I have read some good articles on evaulating pet foods. In most of them number one not having a defined meat ( and only meat) as ingredient one, and two- the use of grains as the second listing of ingredients is not a good rating.
( keep in mind- I feed raw and have since 1984 therefore I am highly suspect of most dog foods.. Actually only two I like.. )
Where on that site does it say anything about chicken meal being bad? And WHY would it be bad. I understand you like feeding raw but ground up meat is not bad.
"Meal" is not a defined meat source is the problem I have with it..
http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodglossary/g/chickenmeal.htm . "Chicken Meal" is inferior to " chicken" but not as bad as chicken by products ( unless you know the by product source such as organ meat- even then- thats a streatch.. )
Chicken is chicken. It says chicken meal. Not "Meat meal." If it said "chicken" you wouldn't know what part of the chicken came from but you'd know it was chicken. Same as chicken meal. Just ground... for kibble.
But chicken meal is still chicken meal. And I am sure while some support the use of " meal" verses " meat" - there are just as many that disagree that "meal" is as good as meat. Its been a long debate.. ( and please remember- I am biased against kibble food.. It would have to be really good for me not to raise an eyebrow..)
<sigh> Chicken meal IS chicken meat. It's just processed differently. It's meat that has been ground. STILL CHICKEN.
The chicken meal doesn't bother me. That's ground up meat and bone. It's not by-product meal, so it's fine.
The Vitamin K bothers me though.
Yeah it should say which kind it is.
Chicken Meal, according to many accredited nutritionists (like Mordy!) is in fact preferable over "Chicken". It's simply the "Chicken" with moisture removed before hand, which means "Chicken Meal" contains muc more real chicken content, rather than useless moisture, considering that "Chicken" is 80% moisture.
I don't see any huge red flags with this food, but I'm not a huge fan of the single protein source followed by LOTS of grains: Brown Rice, Steamed Oatmeal, Rice Bran, Whole Ground Flax Seed.... that is quite a heaping helping of grains. If all of these grains were combined, I'm pretty sure that they would out-weigh the single "Chicken Meal". However, that's pretty much my only concern. How much does this food cost?
It`s expensive. About 60 a bag I believe. I`m not thinking of feeding it. Just curious since I`d never heard of it before and it`s local.
We have a local one around here too, Looks really good as far as ingredients (it only has a handful of ingredients in it) and they even make/offer herbal remedies. I would love to give it a try but I just think it's too expensive............
Burns if any of you have ever heard of it....... LINKY
Very close to my house
Chicken meal is better than just 'chicken'. Chicken meal is the dried good stuff. Due to the amount of water in fresh meat the proportion of meat to other ingreds is low when it is just meat. (unless there are a few at the start)
Foods like proplan start off with meat. But as its fresh its very high in water. If they dried it first then put it in the ingred list it would be way down below the grains.
From what I understand, even if a list says chicken, it still ends up being chicken meal by the time they dry it and grind it to put it in the kibble. So chicken = chicken meal plus water.
If you hate kibble can you really give a legitimate opinion on meat vs meal?
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