Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Teal, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. ACooper

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    Not a dog, but remember Marty the parrot? I made a mistake bringing him home..........thought I could train the man hater out of him but I couldn't. He was a hazard to Kevin when he was loose, (drew blood more than once) he ended up spending more time in his cage than was fair (IMO) and I rehomed him last year. It broke my heart, I cried and cried.......but again, Kevin himself would NEVER have starved or abused Marty. He continued to talk to him each morning, give him a peanut before he left for work........right up to the day Marty went to his new home.

    But that's the difference you see. Kevin is healthy, mentally and physically. Something is terribly wrong with anyone who would neglect ANY animal to the shape this pup was in.

    Teal needs to seek help of some kind. A normal, compassionate, person......whether an animal lover or not, would not stand by and see an animal in need like that without caring and acting.
     
  2. yoko

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    No trust me I feel the same. This whole thing looks like she got tired of him and quit caring for even his basic needs. This thread looks like she wanted to set up a disappearance either ditch the dog somewhere or dropping at the shelter. I agree something is wrong with her but I don't agree this was something she didn't notice. It sounds like she noticed plenty and tried to set up a way to totally get rid of the dog. That's why she was so pissed when people found contact info for her.

    I get some people are good people and stuff gets put of hand. But sometimes people are just bad and trying to justify it is people's way of trying to cope with the fact someone did something so inhumane it can't be explained.
     
  3. Red Chrome

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    After spending a good chunk of time examining the date stamps on pictures, threads all over excluding the puppy, information given by her and little inconsistencies in things. I have to agree with Miakoda. I have done everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen again to another dog. Whether people will listen or not is on them.

    I truly wish Jairi would come back here and explain the situation or own up to it. But IME with people that do these things, they RUN, they disappear for awhile and then they pop up months later after they think people have forgotten about it.

    I do wonder what happened to other dogs that disappeared. Especially those that there are no pictures of for a month before they went to their new homes. It makes me wonder what really happened to Clairece,Polaris,JP and the others.
     
  4. SevenSins

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    I can't really speak for anyone per se, but I think some here (not you) are confusing "intentionally" with "maliciously." You can't really "unintentionally" not feed a pet until it's emaciated, unless you slip into a coma, but you can...well, some people can, anyway...neglect an animal to that point without realizing they've done it until it's too late, without spite or malice involved.

    I'm honestly on the fence about that though, not just because of the terminology used ("the dog," "it," etc) but the fact that it seemed to have been used with some hatred behind it, not "just" detachment.

    I agree. The fact of the matter is, she is clearly capable of comprehending that what happened to the puppy while in her care was wrong, because she took very intentional steps to create an alternate scenario.

    Maybe, or maybe not. You may have to spend even longer getting to know the breeder before they'll agree to sell you a dog if you don't already have one from them, or they may require more paperwork, but if someone is a qualified home (or rather "appears" to be a qualified home - you can know someone for years in person and still not really "know" them as well as you thought) I don't imagine it would be impossible or that you'd be turned down outright. I'd be happy if more breeders tightened up their placement process.
     
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    And Goldfhysh and that Catahoula she has as well?
     
  6. Red Chrome

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    And Touchstone,Lyric,Angus,Fairin and others.
     
  7. Barbara!

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    Once again... There is NO NEED to bring up her other dogs. This thread is degrading itself.
     
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    Her other dogs show a pattern of behavior.

    Getting dogs. Getting in over her head. Getting rid of them.

    Plenty of reason to bring them up. If I were selling puppies, those other dogs on their own would be enough of a reason for me not to sell to her!
     
  9. yoko

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    All of it makes a case that she shouldn't even consider more dogs right now. People who actually care about placing their puppies should know things like this.

    And honestly if you starve a dog I don't care about wanting to save your feelings more than I want to keep more dogs from going through that.
     
  10. Red Chrome

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    Exactly. Except that those other dogs are never mentioned when purchasing puppies. Easier to obtain a puppy that way.

    I have filled out a couple puppy applications recently and on each one, it asked, "How many dogs have you had?" "What happened to those dogs if they are no longer with you?" Or questions worded closely to that. I had a breeder call my references and verify my answers as well as call my vet. But even with these precautions in place, it is easy for people to lie and end up with a puppy from breeder. It sucks. You never truly know unless you dig for information. When I placed my GSD puppies, I googled everyone's name and searched for anything out of line concerning dogs in addition to home checks, multiple references and getting to know then people before. Things happen and it isn't a guarantee but it did help. A LOT.

    Showing a pattern of behavior is part of warning future breeders of one of her future puppies. Unless she starts breeding her own.
     
  11. MafiaPrincess

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    The previous cycle was already enough for people to PM each other and warn breed clubs about her. The fila puppy is horrible and disgusting and beyond the already proven cycle of tossing dogs and lying about it.

    The fila puppy is a huge issue. Her other dogs were already a proven problem. There is plenty of reason to bring them up and talk about warning any breed club anyone can to stop people from selling to her.
     
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    Can you explain the condition that Bullseye was in? I have waited for an explanation. I have seen the same veiled explanations from Jairi before. I just want answers. AND I do NOT want to EVER see a puppy in this position again.
     
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    That she had other dogs with mysterious disappearances and questionable nurturing IS relevant because it shows a pattern…that this Fila puppy isn’t a one time lapse in judgement or a freak thing that his condition just snuck up on her. That’s ridiculous. If a dog is losing a lot of weight, a normal person takes it to the vet and it goes on IV’s if necessary. A normal person doesn’t let the dog get thinner and thinner until he is a skeleton!!!!

    People with a total disregard for life, a complete lack of empathy for a helpless puppy are dangerous. Yes! They need help and need it badly. It doesn't change that fact if they're mentally ill or not. The criminal act of starving an animal is unconscionable and sickening. I can not fathom it. I wouldn't care if I really disliked an animal, it's behavior or personality, if it didn't fit in and I was planning on re-homing it, I can not understand or sympathize with anyone who would not have the smallest iota of concern for another living thing. Whether it's purposeful or not, withholding food and nurture from any living thing is reprehensible. Neglect is not necessarily purposeful or a thought out thing. The word, neglect implies that it's not really overt or malicious, but a profound lack of caring or empathy and that is every bit as damaging and pathetic as an overt act of abuse.

    No one... who lets a dog get like that....who very nearly starves a dog to death, who doesn't like it so doesn't give it ample attention when it's just a tiny baby should NOT be allowed to have any animal or child or even an adult in her care EVER!

    Barbara, if you can look at this proof...and it is proof...as near as I think you can get…. And you can look at that picture of this starving, emaciated, miseable little puppy and continue to be in denial, if you continue to defend a criminal...a person who has no empathy or a care in the world for a little baby dog because she doesn't like it‘s personality...then you're as mentally messed up as she! Maybe more!
     
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    Going through this thread, and reading ALL posts from the start so I have a better idea of what's going on, and I just have to say THIS part kills me. How she can be so cold and incompassionate to a puppy that just wanted love. It sounds to me like he had the grounds for being a very devoted, loyal dog if the effort would have just been put in.
     
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    My other reason for wanting to hear from Teal is to make sure the other dogs in her care are okay.
    I wholeheartedly agree with the above. If everything that appears to be true is indeed true (and Teal and her cheering squad aren’t offering any rebuttals), then Teal needs not have any dogs in her care period. As it is she has 5 that she admits to no?

    I’m thrilled the fila pup is safe and sound, but I am very worried for the other dogs. Especially now that all this has come to light. If Teal is indeed in bad shape mentally and emotionally, now that the fit has hit the shan so to speak, now is the time to really watch out for those in her care.
     
  17. JessLough

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    You know, when you come in OVER AN HOUR after anything else has been said and say bullshit like this, you are just bringing up the thread into the "New Posts" section and making more people see it and more people comment.
     
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    Very true.
     
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    Jairi made this thread specifically as a cover for whatever she was planning to do with Bullseye. She never contacted Dianna to come get him. Here is Dianna's e-mail to me confirming this.

    I feel like throwing up and punching something. She lied to us. She lied to everyone. She knew what she did was wrong and lied to cover it up. No matter how sick she is, she knew it was wrong. And I'm willing to bet he isn't her first victim. I just hope he's the last.

     
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    Very well said! I wish could bold the last part but I am on my Blackberry. And not only Barbara, whoever supports this cruelty and continues to defend another human who neglects and abuse an innocent dog is a mentaly ill person. I honestly pray that Barbara is just one of those 'too proud to acknowledge my terrible mistakes' kinda person, and that infact SHE DOES see the abuse but is too afraid to admit it.
     

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