Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Teal, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    This.

    Even now, I think there would be forgiveness and support forthcoming IF she could -- and would -- lay it out there and be straight with us.

    The best possible outcome from this would be for her to figure out why this happened and start working on fixing whatever is wrong that allowed it to happen.

    Nothing I've seen in all of the varied Teal dramas adds up to someone who is happy -- more like someone who is searching for something that continually eludes them.
     
  2. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Unfortunately "It's not a good fit" can be a very easy excuse when the novelty of a new shinny toy wears off.

    Most everyone has had a bad fit once or even twice but repeatedly cycling through the "give it a shot" and "move on" is unfair to the dogs in your life. The dogs deserve someone who'll be there for them through thick and thin. Do more research, do more meet & greets, do more borrowing, do more trial settings, just do more before you bring a dog into your home as a commitment because these are living, breathing, feeling creatures developed to bond hard and hang on our every word. We owe them more than "maybe".
     
  3. SkyRock

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    This is could be true.

    However, covering lies, trying to make herself look like the goodie goodie and trying to make the breeder come out as the devil is beyond my level of comprehension. She is not fit to care for a dog, since she only apparently cares for dogs that she likes, a dog that is clingy is worthless in her eyes.
    Some people feel powerful when subjecting an innocent and defenseless dog to abuse.

    Also, I do believe is best to notify breeders of this, just for the sake of any future puppy she might have, as apparently this is not the first time.

    Teal, for your own sake you need to find help. The first step is admitting to your mistakes and avoid situations where you might be tempted to continue neglecting YOUR animals. And next time be a grown woman, lying can only get you somewhere, but the truth? The truth always comes out in the end.
     
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    This speaks to me. She admitted that the dog was unhappy and we had no clue why he was unhappy. She admitted she was not giving him the attention that he needed. I see this as a case of keeping the dog in a crate or any secluded area and avoiding all interaction with him a much as possible, even if that meant skipping a few meals.

    Very surprising and sad.
     
  5. Danefied

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    Depends on what you mean by “rescuingâ€. Depends on what you mean by “rehomeâ€. Depends on what you mean by “good fitâ€.
    Paying $800 to “rescue†a wormy GD puppy from a breeder you found in the classifieds, deciding 8 months later that the dog isn’t a “good fit†because his hair doesn’t match your new couches, then rehoming to the neighbor who keeps said dog on a chain outside in all weather. Yeah... I see a lot wrong with that.

    BTW that’s a random compilation based on personal experiences with different dogs and humans. Not meaning to apply it to any one person. Just an example of how claiming rescue and rehome isn’t carte blanche to be a revolving door for dogs.
     
  6. JessLough

    JessLough Love My Mutt

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    This bears repeating
     
  7. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    Yeah I can understand getting frustrated with a dog (we've all had puppies before & know how frustrating theey can be, in my case I have had two CATTLE DOG puppies... I'm surprised i have any hair left LOL LOL) we are human, its ok to get frustrated, feel frustrated & agnolage (spelling???) that you are frustrated.

    No one is debating the fact that a clingy, needy dog/pup can to some ppl (not to me, i lurbe it ;) ) be frustrating. what I & others have an issue with is how she talked about the pup (come on... "it" this & "this animal" that??? ain't cool) no matter how mad i was at Josefina or how at wits end i was (& at times i was quite literally at wits end because nothing i was trying was getting thru to her at the time... then i found the toy reward method that they use for police dogs & that changed everything, as she was a orphan who didnt really know how to take treats from & had issues trusting ppl)

    I think she could have worked through the probs with this pup if she had gotten the breeder involved & asked her for the number of a good trainer that knows filas &/or other like breeds to help & exausted all other options before just 'writing the pup off' as a lost cause & damaged goods & not caring for him (again... not accusing, just my opinion here, no slander intended). I think thats what everyone here has an issue with.
     
  8. JacksonsMom

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    I can't believe I just spend so much time reading through all this thread. I really have nothing to add other than I started this last night, read a bit this morning and then read more just now after getting off work/etc. I don't think I've ever read such a long thread on chaz all the way through.

    I have nothing much to add other than that poor dog... and sorry, all evidence is pointing towards Teal neglecting this dog. I kind of remember reading her OP last year and thinking it was odd the way she worded things and called the dog 'it'.

    I'm guilty of loving a lot of different breeds, and researching a lot, and trying to decide between them, etc, and even contacting some breeders (and letting them know I'm still in the learning process, and unsure on breed choice) but the difference is I don't act upon my feelings and go out and buy whatever breed suits my fancy for the day and then get them home and decide their not for me, or whatnot. I've had one dog for 4 years... lol. There's nothing wrong with a dog truly being a wrong fit for a household, and rehoming responsibly, but time and time again?... and as much as I may not like the dog, I cannot even imagine not giving it barely basic care. I mean my grandma's dog is not my favorite, she very much so annoys me and grates on my nerves, but she's still cuddled up in the bed next to me every night when I watch her, and given love and care, and walks, etc.

    Anyway like I said nothing important to add but just WOW... I am shocked by this.
     
  9. Shakou

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    Exactly.
     
  10. Shakou

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    This whole thread is extremely sad. Not sure if anyone saw my post way back about how Charlotte was initially emaciated for the first two weeks in our care, after being found as a stray, and how people made some pretty outrageous accusations and assumptions during that time about us, despite that we had saved her life and were doing everything we could to get her back to a healthy weight. But all evidence seems pretty cut and clear. Maybe she never intended this and simply got overwhelmed. Puppies can be very stressful in so many ways, especially when you have three other dogs in your care. I don't know what happened.

    It's just a sad, sad situation, and I'm glad the puppy is safe now. I just hope Teal does herself a favor and doesn't get anymore dogs.
     
  11. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    TBH it didnt sound like this puppy was "that bad".
     
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    Keeping it on topic. There isn't anything wrong with rescuing dogs if you can handle it. But if one of your own dogs is in as bad a shape as she let this Fila pup get you have no business taking in any other dogs, rescue or not.



    This dog was clingy and devoted and she didn't like that. This dog wasn't dangerous he just didn't click. There was no reason not to take care of him.
     
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    That's the bottom line! Something is very, very wrong with anyone who doesn't see that!!!!!!!
     
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    Good post and very true. I honestly am sorry to say that I wasn't at all surprised at this. Like Aimee said, she has a track record. I'm just glad the pup is now healthy and happy in his forever home.

    And I hope she stays the hell away from owning sled dogs. I own two sled dogs people threw away. I know what damage it does to their psyche. I also know how affectionate and clingy they can be. They would be a horrid fit for her and I hope she never goes there for the dogs' sake.

    Wonderful post. Very succintly put.

    Exactly! Excellent post.

    That is exactly why I ultimately decided my second dog would be a permanent addition. She deserved better than she'd been given by the crazy hoarder who produced her, by the **** poor "rescue" who saved her mother and her, by the two previous owners who inadvertantly did more damage and cast her aside because she didn't fit the pretty image they had in their heads. There is nothing more humbling than the devotion of a good dog. We owe them much more.

    I'm sorry there is just no excuse for collecting and discarding animals. They deserve better. Thank goodness that Fila boy made it to someone who deserves him, but I sure wish he hadn't had to go through that horror first. :(
     
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    I'd say a revolving door is much better than no door at all.

    I have rescued many dogs that I planned to keep my home permanently. I called them my dogs. They turned out not to be what I wanted/needed, so I gave them to an owner who would appreciate them more. I don't see an issue with that at all. Not one.
     
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    The issue is that nothing is what is first seems.

    But that's neither here nor there I think. Yes, I do wonder then about all the past dogs and what might have never been brought to the light. Yes, it does lend to past behavior and precedent but other than incomplete and changing stories, hearsay, rumor and overall gut feelings it's not provable.

    This Fila is. And I hope it was a wake up call to Teal and everyone around. I hope she finds help and gets her life together but I hope she does that without another dog suffering.
     
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    Obviously, that is highly debatable in this situation.
     
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    OMG just stop... Seriously. Stop.

    You are not making things any better for Teal by keeping this thread alive with pathetic attempts to excuse away the facts.
    A baby puppy was starved for an extended period of time, and the person who appears to be responsible has not provided any refuting evidence that is not clearly fabricated.

    So you got rid of some dogs (not something I’d be proud of, but moving on), did you starve them to near death before you unloaded them? Did you lie when asked to explain their condition?

    Its not the same thing, and you know it. If you want to defend Teal, contact her since you’re so close, and ask her what the heck is going on and if you can share that information on this thread.
     
  19. ~Jessie~

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    This was a dog from a BREEDER, as were many others that disappeared in her past. A revolving door ISN'T better- this fila puppy could've been placed in a loving home from the beginning instead of being neglected by Jairi.

    Heck, even the worst shelters at least provide food- something that this fila puppy didn't even have access to.
     
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    I don't think that's always true especially if the 'revolving door' person decides not to care for the animal. I've seen strays in better condition than that puppy.

    Also this dog was from a breeder I think it would have been better off skipping this 'home' and staying with the breeder until they found a suitable loving home.
     

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