Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Teal, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. Linds

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    Yes, I find it a strange and I would have liked it if it hadn't been kept quiet so long but I can also understand just wanting to move past it initially and get the dog into good hands and healthy. Then to have it in the back of your mind building and building to end up all coming out over a year later. I also get how people not really in the internet/computer world don't think of broadcasting it online.

    One thing I've noticed is breeders do keep things tight to the vest sometimes even if it ends up hurting them.

    It's one of the reasons I would really like to hear from the breeder.

    That being said it doesn't really change anything.

    ETA: My breeder has a website, a forum and a kennel facebook page. You would think he's computer savvy. So not the case. At all. Whatsoever. Pretty much to the point of being funny how not computer literate he is
     
  2. Renee750il

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    Sometimes non-savvy breeders will barter things like website set-up for partial payment on a pup, so just because someone has a site, it doesn't necessarily follow that they bother with it much or have much of an online presence.

    Fila breeders tend to stay within their own, and aren't much more social than their dogs -- unless you're talking Filas ;)
     
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    I think this was mentioned, was the breeder attempting to bring neglect/abuse charges? If so, it might be smart to not go posting your evidence everywhere until your chances of getting charges runs out.
     
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    I don't really have anything to add to this thread other than that I don't feel it was up to the breeder to let the entire online world know what happened.

    If my Doberman breeder ended up taking a puppy back in the awful condition that this puppy was in (and it most certainly was in terrible condition), chances are she would have told and warned other reputable Doberman breeders of the individual should they seek out another Doberman puppy. But unfortunately, should that same individual seek out a dog of another breed, that new breeder of the new breed would not know what happened prior unless they were to personally speak to my breeder or somehow got word of it from other Doberman breeders. That said, my breeder is not online savvy at all. Doesn't do FB, doesn't have a website, etc. She's retired from breeding now, but when she was still breeding, she got hundreds of e-mails a week and it was hard to keep up and e-mail everyone back. Between her own health ailments, her own dogs, her job, etc. But even so, I would imagine it would be fairly difficult to warn other dog people and breeders not in your chosen breed unless you were the type that knew how online dog forums worked or were at least Facebook savvy. So I don't think it's all that strange that she took a little bit to get back to RC and I definitely don't think it's strange that the situation was not announced publicly. I don't fault the breeder at all.

    As for the rest of it: I don't know any of these people and while I'm not the first person to automatically believe a breeder after having dealt with one that looks reputable upon first glance but actually is rather decieving and dishonest, in this particular situation I think it's blatantly obvious that Teal did not like the puppy and I do not find it hard to imagine that the poor puppy did not recieve the care that it should have, so I tend to believe the breeder. The pictures she (Teal) herself posted show clearly to me that the puppy was not in good condition. A puppy should not look that thin and ribby and just overall unhealthy in a sit stay. I'd hate to see what a side profile photo instead would have showed that same day. I don't expect a Fila puppy to look as 'up' as other puppies, as Filas always kinda look a little sad to me (in a houndy way), but that puppy just does not look good regardless. Obviously none of us were there to witness anything in person, so I can't 100% say that Teal is guilty, but past things she's said and photos she's shared certainly have not helped to show that everything was ok while the puppy was in her care.

    I hope this all gets sorted out somehow and that no other puppies end up in such condition again.
     
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    Here is Dianna's e-mail to me. I edited out her phone number just because it seems weird to post it on Chaz, but if anybody wants it or her e-mail just PM me and I'll forward it to you.

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    Thank you a ton Romy! I'm incredibly happy she got her dog back when she did.
     
  7. ~Jessie~

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    Know what's weird? According to a thread from another forum started on August 15th, she made no mention of wanting to get rid of this puppy:

    <removed> no other forum posts

    I'm wondering if something happened where she felt she needed to ditch the puppy ASAP, so she made up how she had been "trying" to contact the breeder. If the puppy was so awesome a few days before she made this thread, then why would she want to return him to the breeder?

    She had 8 dogs in August 2011 but only had 3 by the time November rolled around. Makes me think that she was fishing for excuses to get rid of that puppy ASAP.

    I also wonder if she couldn't afford dog food, thus how emaciated Bullseye was. If that dog was receiving even basic care (food, water), he would NOT have looked the way he did.
     
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  8. Romy

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    I just e-mailed Dianna back asking specifically if Jairi ever mentioned needing to return him. Will post her reply.
     
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    Oh, and Romy, thanks for sharing Dianna's email and those vet records. It solidifies everything I've been thinking thus far :)
     
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    Oh, and Jairi's photo from "August 24th" of the group shot?



    NOPE.

    She posted it on AUGUST 15th.

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    Not sure if I can share the link to another forum on here publically, but she posted up this picture on August 15th at 5:01pm.

    Mods, if you feel the need to remove this link feel free to do so. I'm just backing up my evidence:

    <removed> no other forum posts/links

    Poor puppy looks bony and sickly here... and Dianna didn't get ahold of him until August 29th. He had two whole extra weeks from this point to being completely emaciated.
     
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    Guess that explains why the timestamps were deleted. :(
     
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    I had been most suspicious of this....the pics all seem pretty high quality to me and I thought she mentions being a photographer? I know nothing of timestamps, how to delete them find them etc but I also only use my phone to take pics and it shows my lack of knowledge in the field. Her pics usually look really "finished" so I would assume a lot more knowledge.
     
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    I don't know why this info didn't come out earlier, but I guess my question is... why is this significant? I just don't see why it matters if this came out a year ago, 6 months ago, or today. The story is still the same. I don't think it's a stretch to say maybe she didn't want to make a public announcement. If Teal contacted her recently then maybe that is what brought this to the forefront again.

    And I just don't see any evidence that goes against the breeder. Unless you want to say that emaciated puppy is a different puppy completely. But why would someone create this story, answer emails and phone calls about it, provide us with vet records, if the neglect never happened? Seems like a lot of hassle for something that would have no benefit to the breeder.

    I would love to have it proved that it didn't go down this way. Obviously none of us want it to be true that the puppy was neglected. And I agree with the others that I don't think any neglect was intentional. But the entire OP is so sad, they way she talks about this puppy. Providing basic care to him was "hell" because he was clingy?? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Reading that post for the first time, without having any knowledge of the neglect accusations, broke my heart. It honestly doesn't surprise me at all, then, to see the emaciated pictures.
     
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    Thank you for taking the time to share this information. Sadly it is exactly what I feared. How could someone abuse such a young pup is beyond my level of understanding. Now all the lies 'make sense', Teal was just trying to cover herself in case something like this happened. Well, the truth always comes out no matter how hard you try to hide it.
     
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    Well, this whole thread was sad :( I am going to go hug my dog now.
     
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    I guess I'd say its case closed... I see a plethora of proof on one side and nothing on the other. Thanks Jessie!
     
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    Well dang. I don't really see another explanation for this. -_-
     
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    Romy, please pass on appreciation to Dianna for taking the time to send the records and tell us what happened from her end, and thanks to you for taking time to do it as well. I know how busy you are.

    That little face is heartbreaking. I'm so relieved and glad she's got him in a home that can love him now.
     
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    Sigh.. how disappointing.
     

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