Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Teal, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. ~Jessie~

    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    Very much this.

    I had a foster chihuahua mix a few years ago that I did not mesh with at all. He was a great dog... but not my type of dog. So what did I do?

    Well, I took him to the vet multiple times for his bad skin and stomach problems. I bought about 10 types of food trying to get him regulated. Once I had him for months and he was healthy, I started looking into homes for him to be adopted to.

    Oh, and he slept in our bed.

    I just can't imagine neglecting a dog because they aren't my "type," especially when it's a puppy who just wants love. Heck, filas aren't my type of breed and I think Collin/Bullseye sounds perfect. I love velcro dogs that follow me everywhere and just want to be loved.
     
  2. ~Jessie~

    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    Even if this was a strange angle/bad lighting/odd positioning of the dog, you can literally count every single vertebrae in that poor dog's spine and each and every rib. That's not something that happens from just being kept lean.
     
  3. monkeys23

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    I admit not knowing jack about sighthounds, but there have been quite a few pics of Bukra that make me want to stuff food down him.

    What happened to that fila pup is flat out unacceptable.

    My girl Scout is extremely hard to keep weight on and judging from pics many of her relatives from the same bust its probably a genetic trait. She's very slowly and steadily gained weight the past two years with me and I'm beyond ecstatic that she's finally to where her ribs are actually muscled instead of washboardy. Her previous owners even treated her well and everything, but she looks totally different now than she did when I first took her in. I believe a large part of that is how active we've been in addressing her anxiety issues and baggage. She never had consistent digestion on commercial food, so I guess real food helped her freakishly sensitive tummy. Tripe especially seems to really be a key diet component for her. She will never be "normal" in many ways, but **** I wouldn't trade her for the world.

    And while for the most part Lily is a real easy keeper, when she started having issues on commercial food she dropped muscle and her coat got crappy... I addressed it by trying out feeding her properly balanced raw and she's more filled out muscle-wise than she ever has been before. The answer might be different for a different dog (such as Adrianne finding the right food for Sloan), but these are still things that need addressed.

    That poor puppy. :(
     
  4. Doberluv

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    That and the part about every interaction being hell is very sad indeed. I don't think every interaction has to be hell with any dog if a person knows what the heck they're doing in the area of training. I've dealt with dogs that were very difficult or not my type, but I can't imagine only giving it basic care nonetheless. It's the extras...besides the basic care that shape a puppy into a lovely adult dog...when it's done diligently and correctly. Some of the traits mentioned that were annoying are frequently just puppy traits. Even a lot of independent breeds don't start out that way...naturally, because who ever heard of a baby being independent and not caring about or needing nurturing. That's why they tend to follow you around and act a little appeasing. That mild appeasing thing...the going over on it's back is part of growing up. It doesn't necessarily mean the dog is cowering. Sometimes puppies just do that even in fun or like they're being silly....a mild appeasement gesture wouldn't make me think the puppy has a weak temperament. It's a dog thing. Not a breed thing...besides little variations or variations in degree. jmo. This puppy could very well turn into a confident, un-fawning or whatever they're suppose to be like as it matures. Hopefully, the early socialization period wasn't screwed up.
     
  5. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    Speaking of skinny puppies, Eve was this way. Extremely thin, skin and bone and muscle - which wasn't much to speak of considering she was a pup. It BOTHERED me, even though she was extremely healthy, to see that my dog appeared to be in poor condition. I don't see how people can just let it go.

    This is a skinny, healthy dog. This was at her thinnest, and I was mortified after seeing this picture.

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    You'll notice that same extremely thin dog looks far more normal when photographed from the front in a sitting position.

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    The dog in the posts above (not Sloan but the Fila) is emaciated and does not look healthy to me in the slighest.
     
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    Oh and my little foster guy Spaz (now Zack) I took in I totally did not mesh with AT ALL, but I still miss him and the little booger slept on me every single night and was right on my heels 24/7 (even more so than my girls and they are really velcro lol) and I kept stuffing lots of high quality food down his little furnace. He ate as much as Lily does and she's twice his size lol. He also would not leave me cat alone, but we managed it fine. He annoyed the crap out of me half the time, but I really do miss him a lot. He is where he needs to be though. :)
     
  7. Doberluv

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    Gosh, I don't know why you guys with skinny dogs are even comparing them to this starving, emaciated puppy. There's no similarity whatsoever. Their coats look good too. I had a GSD who didn't eat much. He was given all he wanted, just didn't eat much. There was nothing wrong with him the vet said. He was high, high energy and wasn't into food that much. So, he was quite lean. But he still had no resemblance to that puppy's look. As he got a little older, he started filling out better. There's no question about this puppy's condition at all...When talking about emaciated and a dog that's lean...well, the two things are as different as day and night.

    But I still can't say who's (or what is) responsible because there isn't any conclusive evidence that I've seen, so I won't accuse anyone in particular at this time. It might look a certain way. But in this country, one is innocent until proven guilty. Well, not always, but it's suppose to be that way.:p
     
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    You don't post enough Eve pics. :)
     
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    I interrupt this thread to say how much I miss baby coyote Eve.

    Carry on.
     
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    :hail::hail:
     
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    If I was hiding an emaciated dog, I would post front pictures too.

    Here is a foster I took in who was an abuse case.

    From the front.
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    From the side, same day, minutes apart.
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  12. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    well... you know what they say... birds of a feather flock together. that is the same dog, even with bad eyesight & a much need for new glasses... i can see that is she same dog, a kid could see that is the same dog, please! really???:p
     
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    Poor Dane. He looks as bad as Bullseye.
     
  14. JessLough

    JessLough Love My Mutt

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    So you don't say things like "Its hard to provide it basic care" or "it is not an easy animal to live with" while talking about YOUR dog where you know its name and gender? Never said calling animals it in general means it -- as I used it in my sentence. IMO its completely different. Heck, I tell Ren he's an animal all the time lol
     
  15. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    The reason I posted the comparison was for that exact reason, plus to point out that even a super skinny dog looks a lot heavier when they are sitting down and photographed from the front.

    As a total aside I miss my scrappy looking coyote dog too. Now she's all cowlicks.
     
  16. Paige

    Paige Let it be

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    Yeah I think anyone can tell the difference between a lean dog and a really unhealthy dog. Here is Spanky in his youth. He was a VERY thin dog yet his muscle tone was outstanding. This dog had thighs of steel.

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    and here he is from head on. he didnt look near as trim from head on as from the side.

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    and of course Bandit back in his buff days.

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    clearer picture of the coat quality

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    Bandit was a more acceptable weight. Spanky we tried everything under the sun to fatten that boy up at least a little but his muscle tone and coat never suffered nor did his energy. He was just one skinny puppy.
     
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    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    That Dane breaks my heart and it is a fabulous example of hiding (lack of) weight with photos.
     
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    Talking about her other dogs is off topic and counter productive and immature. Quit grasping at straws.
     
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    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Actually it is the reason I have trouble believing it was her doing, when I look at the pit bulls. Therefore it is relevant.

    However, I do agree, I've often thought the sight hound takes it to an unhealthy level of bone. It's possible she (and gonzo) have a perverse opinion of healthy weight. One that a vet and most would likely disagree with. As said, there is muscly lean and there is unhealthfully skinny.
     
  20. MafiaPrincess

    MafiaPrincess Obvious trollsare Obvious

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    Kerri's whippets can get stupid thin. But with the hair, it's less obvious to see, it's how they feel. Bounce's august allergies are wretched.. and she looses weight and becomes all legs and bones..

    I've been feeding her double trying to compensate. Difference is we notice and realize it's unhealthy looking. There is lean.. but often Teal's dogs don't look muscular and lean. Many times more than one has looked simply too thin.
     

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