Returned from vet.. also question about weight.

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we had both my parents cats de clawed. The vets were not happy. Thea, who is deaf had a tough time of it. Long painfull recovery. The other one Sammy, was running the next day. Happy and hyper. Both were spayed at the same time.

They both just had the front done. They also use a scratching post, just no nails but the motions are the same.
 

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Id like to add, Thea the one who had a bad recovery is sweet and calm. Never bites. The other one bites for the fun of it.
 

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I didn't say YOUR cats, I simply said that they are some of the POSSIBLE results of a declaw.

You should read my post before assuming I'm attacking YOU.

And quite frankly, I believe cats have claws for a reason. To me it's the same as debarking a dog. A pointless procedure for the owners convenience.
 
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I didn't say YOUR cats, I simply said that they are some of the POSSIBLE results of a declaw.

You should read my post before assuming I'm attacking YOU.

And quite frankly, I believe cats have claws for a reason. To me it's the same as debarking a dog. A pointless procedure for the owners convenience.
you quoted by post so you were obviously talking to me and you are ASSUMING I am so uneducated owner who made a decision with no thought... I did A LOT of research and made the decision that was best for MY family. There are risks with ANY surgery... however, if you choose your vet carefully and not based on whatever one gives you the cheapest quote, you hopefully lower the risks.
 
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One cat lived to be 18, no arthritis, one is currently 17, no arthritis, the other is 6, no arthritis.
And I knew a dog that lived to 17 eating Alpo-does that mean it was good for her?

It does, they have a nice home to live out their LONG lives, where they get all the medical care necessary, fed, etc.
So I'm curious, does that mean you wouldn't own a cat with intact claws?
If my cat slips out the door, walks down the hallway, gets the elevator, takes it down to the lobby, gets the doorman to let her into the revolving door, spins said door, and gets outside... yes she will be more vulnerable to attack ;)
....it's a cat, anything is possible :p

I guess I'm just missing why an amputation with a very real possibility of physical and psychological consequences is preferable to weekly nail trims
 

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you quoted by post so you were obviously talking to me and you are ASSUMING I am so uneducated owner who made a decision with no thought... I did A LOT of research and made the decision that was best for MY family. There are risks with ANY surgery... however, if you choose your vet carefully and not based on whatever one gives you the cheapest quote, you hopefully lower the risks.
You're the one making assumptions. I'm talking about the surgery in general. You made a comment about a long happy life declawed, that is NOT the case for all cats. Some suffer very real consequences.

Like I said, they day I'll put myself through ten amputations is the day I'd get a cat declawed.

You make it sound as though you couldn't love a cat with claws? That's ridiculous in and of itself. If you can't love a cat with it's claws, why have a cat?

Seriously, there are many many surgery free options if you're really that concerned about the claws, trimming and caps are two examples. Both completely painless, unless you quick a nail of course. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm just missing why an amputation with a very real possibility of physical and psychological consequences is preferable to weekly nail trims
This exactly. It's all about convenience, which like I said is IMHO the same as debarking a dog. A pointless surgery that is in no way needed given a little time and effort, simply done for the owners convenience.

ETA: I'm also curious as to why you seem to feel the need to take everything as a personal attack. It wasn't too long ago you accused all of us of hating little dogs. :confused:
 

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I also do not believe you that vets are not declawing in your area and I do not believe, that other people are reading over your claim is believing you either.

So far in this thread i've read that:

-St. Bernards don't drool
-St. Bernards are active
-A cat owner cannot find a vet to perform a declaw on their cat!

:rofl1:

And then I get accused of spreading false info when I haven't even made any claims (beside the st. bernard drooling... i mean.. who would have thought a St. Bernard drools).

:lol-sign:

:banana:
You see the problem is, you put it as a black and white issue. It is incorrect to say all St Bernards drool, it is also, even more incorrect to say they don't.

What Dekka said, is the breed is prone to having a shape of flew that encourages drooling. Not all St Bernards do.

Now, the mainstream dog owner, as you like to put it, says "I love St Bernards, but I can't handle drool."

You say "St Bernards drool. They really aren't the breed for you, mainstream dog owner." Because that is what you read somewhere, or because you know a couple that drool.

Dekka, might say "St Bernards are prone to drooling so be careful when selecting your dog. If you ask a reputable breeder or a breed specific rescue they will be able to hook you up with a dog that has moderate drooling, or doesn't drool at all." Because (among other things) she has real life experience with dogs.

See the difference? And then you get defensive when we point out that your generalization doesn't really apply to the mainstream dog owner, because the mainstream dog owner is looking for a single, individual dog, that may or may not drool. So by all means point out that it is going to be more difficult to find a non-drooling St Bernard, but as someone else said, please don't give people absolutes based on what you've read or your limited experience.

There are extremely vocal minorities of people who believe cats are humans and don't like declawing. (yet they support having their testicles cut off).

Unfortunatly, politicians are beginning to listen in California, so to keep the gov't away from regulating these things, the associations will try to take preventative maintanance before the politicians get involved. It starts with declawing, then leads to how they regulate general procedures etc etc. So most of this is political game playing from the Alberta association.

I also do not believe you that vets are not declawing in your area and I do not believe, that other people are reading over your claim is believing you either.
FYI, it is hard to find a vet in my area that does declawing, neutering and declawing are different, and the vast majority of people I've discussed declawing with (in real life) have been against it. Again, you say something like it's an absolute or a fact, when it just isn't.

I personally would never have declawed a cat to protect the dog. IME, dogs can take care of themselves, and cats mind their own business... until I saw otherwise I wouldn't do it.

I agree that it is a shame when the government tries to interfere with pet owners' decisions to sterilize and declaw, and believe me, I fully support your right to do so.
 
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A great response. ;)

Cat got your tongue? :p
No, I got your number... you break out random little snide remarks that have nothing to do with the conversation in an attempt to get me riled up, sorry not going to happen.

Only I know how well my cats are loved, well maybe also the poor ER vet who had to witness me fall apart when my 18 year old was PTS, oh and the vet who got their mortgage paid for months in a (successful) attempt to save another from cancer...
 

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How did that having nothing to do with it? I posted possible side effects and you IMMEDIATELY took it as a personal attack. Therefore my question was valid.

Honestly I could care less what you do with your cats, that's your business. It's not my fault you took my list of possible side effects as an attack on you and your cats.
 
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It's not my fault you took my list of possible side effects as an attack on you and your cats.
Im sorry I didnt realize you were young and new to online forums.

Generally on forums, when someone quotes a post and replies below it, it is IN DIRECT response to the quoted post or their is no reason to quote the response.

This will save you problems in the future.:)
 

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Im sorry I didnt realize you were young and new to online forums.

Generally on forums, when someone quotes a post and replies below it, it is IN DIRECT response to the quoted post or their is no reason to quote the response.

This will save you problems in the future.:)
:rofl1:

I was responding to your comment saying all declawed cats live long and happy live when that simply isn't the case. Which I've already told you is what I was responding to. Maybe you should read my entire posts. ;)

Also try to remember forums are for voicing opinions, which is exactly what I did.

It will save you some problems in the future.

And you say I make snide remarks? Thanks for the laugh. Anyways, I'm going to be the bigger person and walk away, because you are so absolutely right. ;)
 
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I was responding to your comment saying all declawed cats live long and happy live when that simply isn't the case. Which I've already told you is what I was responding to. Maybe you should read my entire posts. ;)
I never said that anywhere actually.

I dont know if my posts are becoming different on your screen that what I type and see but you keep saying I said things I never did :confused:
 
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Well aren't you a large can of proud ignorance?

I got my puppy from a BYB for $375.

He was 3 months when we got him and they claimed he weighed 5lbs.

3 weeks later (today) at the vet, they weighed him in at 14lbs.

Right now he weights 14lbs and is 3 months and 3 weeks old.

I heard heavier dogs can scratch hardwood floors.

The puppy was really good at the vet. There was a big lab/shepard mix and wow the girl had to really PULL him and try to come him down cause he would bark and go nuts on the other animals including our puppy.

Our little guy was laying down by our feet and then when the doctor came out, he would hide under the chair hehe.. never made a sound. He stood up perfectly for examination. Very well behaved. Even the cat too.

our doggy has a such a good temperment. He's so obedient. He can give high 5's now like a champ.

He's already trained not to go into certain rooms (like our bedroom). He's not allowed in. So he'll automatically stay at the door.
Okay first;
I can't believe you payed $375 for a mutt. Your dog is not some specialty breed, it's a mutt. And I cannot fathom why somebody would want, or need, to pay that much for a mixed-breed. It's also ridiculous that people charge that much for such a dog, it's obvious they were only interested in the cash involved.


You know, your dog could just simply be nervous or shy. Shy dogs act 'well-behaved'. They won't chew or be destructive just because they're unsure of themselves. Many puppies from BYBs and Puppy Mills turn out that way.



So far in this thread I've read that:

-St. Bernards don't drool
-St. Bernards are active
-A cat owner cannot find a vet to perform a declaw on their cat!



And then I get accused of spreading false info when I haven't even made any claims (beside the st. bernard drooling... i mean.. who would have thought a St. Bernard drools).
Okay, first off I would like to say that yes, of course Saint Bernards drool, but if somebody is actually interested in the breed then that is not a difficult thing for them to get past. I for one, don't mind drool at all. And just because most Saint Bernards drool a lot, doesn't mean it's the same for all of them.

Not everybody is interested in a non-shedding fuzzy puffdidadoodles, just because you are. I can't stand those poodle mutts.

You are also crazy to think that Saint Bernards aren't active. You are following an obviously backwards ignorant stereotype.
Saint Bernards require a lot of exercise. They will want to romp and run all they can. They were bred to search and rescue in harsh environments where it was difficult to maneuver and they had to have a lot of stamina.
If you do not properly exercise a St. Bernard then you're going to have to deal with a destructive dog, just as you would with most dogs.


The majority of people don't like to declaw their pets on a dog forum.

The majorrity of cat owners and vets have no problem with declawing.

So the majority on the forum, represent a minority of viewpoints in the real world. I represent the real world and is why I got my puppy from a BYB. I have a dog now and would like the cat declawed so he doesn't have his eyes scratched out.

I know it sounds crazy to many people on the forums, but it was normal to the vet and everyone else there. Also friends who know of the declawing. It's just normal stuff doing what I did.
You represent the ignorant, yet arrogant, 'majority' of the population. Your 'majority' is slowly becoming more of a minority, because they're becoming educated and the facts and education are now becoming more wide-spread.

As far a de-clawing a cat goes, I oppose of it.
I only agree to such editing in pets as I would do to myself.
I would never remove a limb to make myself 'look better', or to make myself 'more convenient'. I would only remove a limb for the safety of my health/if the limb was injured and uncorrectable.
I would never remove the tips of my fingers/my finger nails.
I would never cut/edit my ears to make them look better.

Henceforth, I do not support tail docking, ear cropping, or de-clawing.

I would however have my ovaries removed.
And I do support spay/neuter.
 

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One cat lived to be 18, no arthritis, one is currently 17, no arthritis, the other is 6, no arthritis.
how do you know they had no arthritis and no discomfort? you know that cats are extremely stoic creatures, right? so even if they were in pain, they may not show it outwardly.

i can accept declawing in situations where there is a health concern for the owner (bleeding issues, autoimmune issues), a health concern for the cat, or possibly a behavioral concern (although taking claws out of a cat without addressing the behavior issue is very much to me like taking teeth out of a biting dog without addressing his behavioral concerns).

but the vast majority of people? don't fit any of those categories. they declaw cats because that's the mainstream thing to do. so they won't hurt the furniture. omg people it's FURNITURE. you'd rather hurt the cat than the furniture. so many people seem uninterested in other options. they don't want to be bothered or do not understand that cats can be trained, that nails can be trimmed, that softpaws can be applied, etc.

we have people come in with 8 week old kittens and want them declawed now because they're climbing the curtains. THEY'RE BABY KITTENS. of course they're climbing the curtains. and yet we don't have people come in with 8 week old puppies wanting them detoothed even though puppies are little sharks. it makes no sense to me.

and i always think the if we ban declawing more cats will die in the shelter argument is disingenuous. plenty of countries disallow it and people still adopt cats. not to mention, how many cats develop litterpan aversion issues due to declawing. litterpan issues being a significant portion of shelter surrenders, indoor declawed cats chucked outside, and even euthanasias.
 
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