Returned from vet.. also question about weight.

[MandyPug]

Or someone can say it was your fault for not declawing your cat when you have a dog in the house. That's another way of looking at it. After all, animals will be animals and you are the human looking after them.

Again, just another way of looking at it. The cats are not humans. Declawing is safe, effective, and the cat does not even realize he no longer has claws. This is why almost every vet performs this procedure and is so common.

It wasn't my cat. Plus I'm pretty sure the president of the local Humane Society is NOT going to declaw her 3 cats even though she has 2 bunnies and a dog also in the house. I don't have cats, but i did have a fully clawed store cat for a few months until he got adopted. Not once did he touch a dog with his claws because guess what! He had them trimmed and had a place to jump up when he didn't want to be around the dogs anymore!

There is only one vet out of lets see... 15 or more vets in my area that will declaw, it's on it's way out slowly. It's already outlawed in many countries. Countries where declawing cats is illegal or inhumane . Not to mention many cities in the united states and Canada are starting to ban it too.

 

[Crush]

There are extremely vocal minorities of people who believe cats are humans and don't like declawing. (yet they support having their testicles cut off).

Unfortunatly, politicians are beginning to listen in California, so to keep the gov't away from regulating these things, the associations will try to take preventative maintanance before the politicians get involved. It starts with declawing, then leads to how they regulate general procedures etc etc. So most of this is political game playing from the Alberta association.

I also do not believe you that vets are not declawing in your area and I do not believe, that other people are reading over your claim is believing you either.

So far in this thread i've read that:

-St. Bernards don't drool
-St. Bernards are active
-A cat owner cannot find a vet to perform a declaw on their cat!

:rofl1:

And then I get accused of spreading false info when I haven't even made any claims (beside the st. bernard drooling... i mean.. who would have thought a St. Bernard drools).

:lol-sign:

:banana:

 

[Tankstar]

And that's all I did even with disclaimers that it was my personal opinion. I think I was banned after I recommend a 16 year old be careful with a St. Bernard becuase he would have to walk around with rags around the house to wipe up the drool and questioned whether he was going to do this. Also if he did want to be active with the dog, there might be problems. I also questioned whether his parent knew about the drooling.

I guess that got me banned? Who knows..

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The 16 year old wasnt the one who was going to own the dog. it is goin to be her fathers dog as he wanted it. he was deployed currently so she( He) was doing raserch for him.

well....

so I won't fault anyone who doesn't KNKOW better for getting a dog from sources "chaz" deems to be WRONG. this is the perfect opportunity to teach and help.

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He knows better.

He likes to say exact opposie of what majority of people think on dog boards (such as buying from BYB's are the best way to go all shelter dogs are terrible dogs. no one should own herding breeds ect ect to get a rise out of people)

 

[Crush]

I don't know... last time I grabbed a cats paw I got the sh!t scratched out of me. SCARS were left lol. maybe that's why I have a bit of a phobia of cats claws. post traumatic stress lol. I will NEVER own a kitten... they scare me the MOST as they have no idea when to use their claws and when not to. I remember a friends cat had kittens when we were in elementary school and I was standing in the kitchen one day and the kitten decided to climb up my legs and up my back with her claws.

*shudder*

Yes and this is why so many people get their cats declawed.

Let's put it this way, if there was manditory declawing on all cats, you would see about a half reduction in returns to the humain society. People give up their cats a lot of the time becuase of their claws.

They aren't dogs.. if they don't want you cutting their nails, you aint going to let you trust me. There is no sweet talking them.

If you are carying a cat, they can easily scratch you in order to get down. The are very scratch happy animals.

 

[Linds]

Personally, I think you get a cat you are excepting the fact that it has claws the same way you except that with dogs. You then teach your cat control and how to use them and when not to use them same way you would teach bite inhibition with a dog.

I very much dislike declawing and find it to be a pretty barbaric practice

BUT, it's your cat to do with as you please within the law and I don't believe it should ever be illegal. I do believe people should be better informed of their choices and options.

I do find it to be pretty pathetic though that people are willing to put their cat through that amputation with a risk of future issues both behavioral and physical just because they aren't willing to work with their cat, trim their claws or do those gel caps if all else fails. Now this doesn't apply to everyone, but it does not a majority of people who choose to declaw

I've had/have two declawed cats neither which was done by us. One did absolutely fine and the other had some issues that I do believe stemmed from that.

We also have a cat that had to have one claw removed because he's a Polydactylcat and it was in between two of his other toes growing to the side.

I have a six month old kitten that thinks the best thing in the world is to stalk the dogs and ferrets and attack them hissing and making a fuss. But he never leaves a scratch on them because he knows how to use them. I bet if he was declawed we would think he would have been doing great damage to him if he wasn't. Luckily, he has his claws and is able to control them and defend himself need be

 

[Crush]

He likes to say exact opposie of what majority of people think on dog boards )

The majority of people don't like to declaw their pets on a dog forum.

The majorrity of cat owners and vets have no problem with declawing.

So the majority on the forum, represent a minority of viewpoints in the real world. I represent the real world and is why I got my puppy from a BYB. I have a dog now and would like the cat declawed so he doesn't have his eyes scratched out.

I know it sounds crazy to many people on the forums, but it was normal to the vet and everyone else there. Also friends who know of the declawing. It's just normal stuff doing what I did.

 

[Tankstar]

They aren't dogs.. if they don't want you cutting their nails, you aint going to let you trust me. There is no sweet talking them.

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There is alwaysa way to cut them. Get a E cllar, or a muzzle if yo re that worried. Cats scare me, but I work with cats and I need to get over it, I have cut a ton of their nails that do not want it done it gets done. Just need to find a way

 

[Linds]

The majorrity of cat owners and vets have no problem with declawing.
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Please, go on a cat forum and say that :rofl1:

 

[Crush]

Get a E cllar

:yikes:

 

[dogsarebetter]

Yes and this is why so many people get their cats declawed.

Let's put it this way, if there was manditory declawing on all cats, you would see about a half reduction in returns to the humain society. People give up their cats a lot of the time becuase of their claws.

They aren't dogs.. if they don't want you cutting their nails, you aint going to let you trust me. There is no sweet talking them.

If you are carying a cat, they can easily scratch you in order to get down. The are very scratch happy animals.

ummm, i trim my cats nail a couple of times a month. its easier that trimming dogs nails IMO
as a profession pet groomer I can honestly say, i need help with dogs nail trims more often than cat nail trims.

 

[Upendi&Mina]

I'd just like to say Mike, many vets in fact will NOT declaw anymore. My vet won't do it, and I can think of a handful of others in the area that won't either.

It's not as simple as removing the claws, it's the taking of the first joint. So cats are not humans, but imagine how painful losing the first joint on everyone of your fingers and toes would be.

A declawed cat is also much more likely to bite.

 

[Tankstar]

:yikes:

a elizabeth collar...

http://23.media.tumblr.com/YWRx26gVAp8j465wYC8SEFRKo1_500.jpg

 

[Upendi&Mina]

Please, go on a cat forum and say that :rofl1:

Exactly.

 

[mrose_s]

I'm pretty much of the opinion that if you don't want to deal with claws... don't get a cat.
I adore cats, it has never occured to me to get one declawed. Sure in some circumstances it may be necesary but not often surely. i'm glad its illegal here.
I've grown up around cats, I've been scratched quite a few times but never severly. A cat thats scrathes aggressivly is the same as a dog that bites aggressivly, it needs dealing with because its a behavioural problem.
I can see declawing cats as the same as a procedure that would remove dogs teeth... you know, just incase.

 

[mom2dogs]

ummm, i trim my cats nail a couple of times a month. its easier that trimming dogs nails IMO

So for shits and giggles I just tried trimming my sister's cat, who grew up in a shelter and she has never tried trimming his nails, or even had the need to touch his paws (in a constraining way). He sat on my lap and purred, he was curious as to what I was doing, but OMG he was easy, and all front paws were done within 2 minutes (it would have been shorter, but I kept looking to make sure I didn't cut too short and praised like mad). One of my dogs? Terrible. . . there isn't sweet talking her, she hates it (and yet I still do it once a week).

Am I saying ALL cats are easy? Oh **** no, but I also think some can be trained or made to at the very least tolerate. The ones I have worked with are amazingly smart, and with finding the motivation (which can be tricky ), most will catch on to positive training.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Lots of people who are so against declawing, let their cats outside, getting hit by a car or killed by another animal is more painful then being declawed.

I dont know why people cant just let people do as they want with their own animals.

I would rather a cat be out of a shelter, in a loving home, living a long life DECLAWED then sitting in a cage at the shelter or more likely heading to the "back room" where so many cats end up.

 

[Linds]

I dont know why people cant just let people do as they want with their own animals

I would rather a cat be out of a shelter, in a loving home, living a long life DECLAWED then sitting in a cage at the shelter or more likely heading to the "back room" where so many cats end up.

I agree, people should be able to do what they will with their own animal. BUT I think they should be made aware that it typically isn't an either or situation and there are many other ways to control a cat scratching and doing damage other than amputation. If it's between no home or getting a cat declalw then do it, but if people knew how to deal with claw issues, were willing to work with their cat and deal with the reality that cats have claws and you knew that when you got one then I think there would be a lot less people turning to declawing.

It's like saying "the dog chewed up my shoe again, I gotta deteeth him" it's an extreme mesure for a very workable and fixable issue in most cases.

I think most people either do it out of ignorance or laziness honesetly. But I don't want to take that choice away from them

 

[dogsarebetter]

I dont understand declawing for the simple fact that it is very easy to just trim their nails! and it is cheaper than declaw that's for sure.

 

[Upendi&Mina]

Lots of people who are so against declawing, let their cats outside, getting hit by a car or killed by another animal is more painful then being declawed.

I dont know why people cant just let people do as they want with their own animals.

I would rather a cat be out of a shelter, in a loving home, living a long life DECLAWED then sitting in a cage at the shelter or more likely heading to the "back room" where so many cats end up.

Here are some of the problems declawing can cause.

Joint problems. Cats walk on their toes, when you declaw them it alters their gait which can lead to problems like arthritis down the line.

The claws are beneficial and use when the cat stretches, which helps keep their muscles toned.

When you take away their first line of defense they are quicker to bite.

It can lead to litterbox problems. Why? During the healing process using and digging in the litter box is painful for the cat. Therefore the cat associates the litter box with pain.

It is more or less like TEN amputations. Ouch, not something I'd put a well loved pet through.

It does not benefit your cat at all.

Occasionally the vet will not remove enough of a toe and the claw will REGROW which then leads to infection, which leads to yet again more pain.

If your cat WOULD slip outside, which DOES happen with indoor cats, you've taken away their main defense. Leaving them vulnerable to any and all attacks they might face.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Joint problems. Cats walk on their toes, when you declaw them it alters their gait which can lead to problems like arthritis down the line.

One cat lived to be 18, no arthritis, one is currently 17, no arthritis, the other is 6, no arthritis.

When you take away their first line of defense they are quicker to bite.

they are fine... they are all sweet cats who dont bother anyone.

It can lead to litterbox problems. Why? During the healing process using and digging in the litter box is painful for the cat. Therefore the cat associates the litter box with pain.

I have never once had a cat have an accident in the house, not one ever... yet so many people with cats with claws tell me all cats pee in laundry, on towels, etc.

It is more or less like TEN amputations. Ouch, not something I'd put a well loved pet through.

Im not even going to touch this one... I guarantee there were never three more well loved, well taken care of cats.

It does not benefit your cat at all.

It does, they have a nice home to live out their LONG lives, where they get all the medical care necessary, fed, etc.

Occasionally the vet will not remove enough of a toe and the claw will REGROW which then leads to infection, which leads to yet again more pain.

Has not happened.

If your cat WOULD slip outside, which DOES happen with indoor cats, you've taken away their main defense. Leaving them vulnerable to any and all attacks they might face.

If my cat slips out the door, walks down the hallway, gets the elevator, takes it down to the lobby, gets the doorman to let her into the revolving door, spins said door, and gets outside... yes she will be more vulnerable to attack