Removing a collar ring stain?

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  1. Rise

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    My white GSD, Max still has the red ring around he neck from a dog collar I had to cut off of him when getting him out of the pound. The dog collar was probably an inch too short for his neck size, so it was on really snug, I couldnt even get fingers through it.

    Anyway, it's been about 3 weeks since he was pulled from the shelter. I've taken him to both petsmart and petco. Petsmart wanted to shave the fur around his neck and I didn't want that done, petco bathed him for me to see if it would help. The bather ended up doing it for free because she wasn't sure if it would work. He smells amazing but still has the red ring there.

    Is there a shampoo I can buy (and use safely considering he's just been bathed) i'd only be using it around his neck area.

    I'd also like a shampoo for white coated dogs, i know being on a proper diet will help his coat out a bit (I feed Solid Gold) im not sure what he was eating before, probably whatever the pound had donated.

    Any suggestions would be great!
     
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    The proper diet will go along way and then I think just time will be your biggest thing. You could try using a mild bluing rinse with his next bath and see if that helps? Otherwise you'll just have to wait for the dye to wear out.
     
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    That's what I was afraid of zoom, thanks! It doesn't bother me so much, i was just wondering if it was possible to remove it.

    His coat is in bad shape, he's not losing fur or anything just kind of bland and not as nice as my other shepherds. I think the solid gold will help and he seems to love it.
     
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    You might add in some Grizzly Salmon Body Oil on top of his food, the extra Omega's will help a lot as well. Which variety of the SG? Some of them are a bit low in protein for my tastes.
     
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    I feed Cain the wolf cub food and the others all get the barking at the moon flavor.

    Sometimes petco will be out of barking at the moon and i'll grab wolf king instead in a 20lb and they credit it towards my free bag of batm :-D
     
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    Right on, sounds like you're doing well!
     
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    I've only really been paying attention to dog food the past year or so when I moved out on my own and instead of feeding my dogs whatever the parents picked up actually started looking at the choices. Until then I was feeding Nutro Ultra, which i hear isnt horrible but solid gold is working out much better.
     
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    As for the collar ring, it will go away eventually. You may also add a raw egg every other day or so.. that helps the coat as well.

    Banzai had a cheapo maroonish/red collar and he got wet in it and it bled onto his fur... he was "pink" for quite awhile, but it did go away. :)

    As far as shampoo, I don't know that there is any specific one for white coated dogs, but most of Banzai is white and we just use earth bath. When he's wet he has this yellow tinting to fur, but when he dries, he sure looks great. :)

    Good luck to you.
     
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    Thanks! I think they actually sell earthbath at the local petco here, so that will even be easy for me to pick up.

    I currently use the shampoo made by the same company that makes the furminator, i think it's called deshedding shampoo or something like that. I really like it on the german shedders, it does seem to help a bit as long as you brush them after.

    I guess just patience will get his beautiful coat color back. I had bought him a large red collar after getting him and recently changed it to a rolled leather collar, someone said that it would be easier on his fur.
     
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    Oh yes, we use that shampoo on Banzai every once in awhile as well! It's amazing how much fur comes out. :yikes: Our regular staple shampoo is earth bath, though. And I did just buy Buddy Wash which is coconut based, which is supposed to be great for skin (I have an allergy dog who could use some relief!).
     
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    I'd go with the bluing shampoo too . Can't remember what we used on Amy's white horse . Main and Tail ??
     
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    Thanks, I have some shopping to do later today. I think i'll pick up the earthbath and see how that works. He was just bathed so I'll wait a bit on him but I might use it on my other dogs to see how well I like it. I have wanted to try it for awhile anyway hearing so many good things about it.

    I wish I knew what petco used on their salon. He came back smelling just wonderful and his fur was so soft to the touch and he just seemed to glow. He seemed very happy and he did a run around the house when I brought him home. I don't know why but all my dogs after getting a bath and getting dried off do a frantic run around the house a few times and then finally relax.
     
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    Aftermath of baths are worse than the actually thing !! I spred towels all over the living room floor , but the hallway walls sure get sprayed . When I bathe is the bath off the guest room and I get Ollie out of there ASAP !!! Oherwise the bed gets soaked !
     
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    Patience and brushing/combing. GSDs shed a bit so it shouldn't take long for the stain to go away. Bluing shampoo has a hard time removing red stains ... works best on dingy-looking yellow-tinged coats on white dogs .. or just to keep them looking especially white-white. Would be more likely to turn a red stain purple-ish rather than remove it.

    Might want to test that new leather collar. If it's tanned leather rather than natural leather make sure the tanning is color-fast or the tanning can stain his coat too if the collar gets wet and it bleeds color. Especially if exposed to acid rain, salt water, etc., but some tanning bleeds just from getting wet from anything.

    BTW ... he's a gorgeous white GSD! Saw him there in your sig.
     
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    Thanks! He is pretty beautiful, he does have some yellow tint to his coat, I just figured he was a creme/white color. I didn't know it could be removed.

    I bought his collar from gundogsonline.com
     
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    Whether the yellow tint can be removed depends on it's source. If it's from accumulated dirt or dust then any decent shampoo can remove it. If it's just his natural coat coloring then no shampoo is going to "remove" that, including bluing shampoo. (Usually called "whitening" shampoos, but the shampoo itself does contain bluing and is a very deep blue color .. some are almost purplish.)

    Should have clarified in the last post where I said "bluing shampoo has a hard time removing red stains" but would instead "turn a red stain purple-ish". Bluing shampoo does not actually "remove" any discoloration ... bluing is not any kind of bleaching agent. What it does is ADD a bit of blue coloring to the coat. Not enough to turn a white dog blue but just enough to off-set any wheaten or yellow-ish tinge, so when the light hits the dog's coat it appears bright white-white instead of yellowish.
    That's why it would turn a red stain purple ... Red+Blue=Purple

    Whitening shampoos (bluing) can look shockingly BLUE while lathering the dog ... they suds up very blue and it looks like the dog is going to be left blue tined! But once rinsed well the excess bluing rinses off and just enough is left. It's best to apply them as evenly as possible. Spead it around on your hands first, then apply to the dog. Don't squirt whitening shampoo directly on the dog or there may be blue spots where it first hit the white fur.

    Another way to get a white dog looking whiter is to use any shampoo you prefer, but add a little bit of laundry bluing to the bath's rinse water. This is trickier because if you add too much bluing the white dog will turn out bluish to the point that it's noticeable. (Wears off in time.. but still, don't want any blue dogs!) The best one is Mrs. Stewart's Concentrated Liquid Bluing. It's available in laundry sections of most supermarkets, the web site is:
    http://www.mrsstewart.com

    This product is used on many white show dogs and will not cause skin problems. You prepare the final rinse water first ... add only a very small amount of the liquid bluing and mix very well before putting the dog in the rinse water. How much bluing to add depends on amount of rinse water ... which depends on the size of the dog and the size of the bath container. The rinse water should appear a very light blue, never medium or dark blue! It should be light enough that the bottom of the bath container is still very clearly visible, if not sure then definitely err on the side of too little bluing ... not too much! Mrs. Stewart's liquid bluing comes in an 8 oz. squeeze bottle that should literally last for years ... generally you only need about 2 drops per quart of rinse water for bathing a white dog.

    Once the rinse water is mixed, put the dog in and use a cup to pour the rinse water evenly over the coat. For face and head use a clean white wash cloth dipped into the rinse water and wrung slightly. (Pouring water over face and around ears can get water in them ... and turn the dog off baths.)

    Guess you could email them or go back to their site and make sure the leather collar you bought is absolutely color-fast? Personally I would test it myself to make sure, regardless of what they said. Test separately with plain water, collected rain water, and salt water. Take the leather collar off the dog and wet the collar well, then rub very hard with a clean white cloth to see if any leather tanning comes off ... concentrate the rubbing especially on any seams and places where raw unfinished leather may be exposed. If you see any coloring at all on the clean white cloth then that collar will eventually stain your white dog's fur.
     
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    Good advice. Do you know whether or not tanned leathers will stop bleeding over time?
     
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    Might stop over time, but not until dog's fur is already stained. :(

    Better to have a tanned lether collar that's lighter colored than the dog, or a natural leather without coloring. Someone had given Cheyenne a leather collar as a gift ... really beautiful, stained dark cherry. But she was a medium-gold Golden Retriever, and upon testing the collar it DID bleed. Didn't want to be ungracious about the gift so did have her wear the collar sometimes, but only sometimes and only instances where there was no chance of it getting wet.
     
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    That's why I stick to natural leather .
     

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