reccomend any wolf-dog or wolf looking dog breeders

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by Aurora171989, Sep 26, 2006.

  1. lakotasong

    lakotasong Sled Dog Guardian

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    Sush,

    There's no such thing as a responsible wolfdog breeder. And that link you sent is definitely a puppymill type operation. They breed only to sell to the unsuspecting public. They have 16 of these poor animals. I wonder how few acres they've crammed them all into?

    I'm e-mailing them to see if they do any health testing (I doubt they do). If I don't get a response I'm going to call, this place is really disturbing.
     
  2. StillandSilent

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    I would definatly stay away from that breeder. If they are allowing you to pick up your pup at only 5 1/2 weeks, run!
     
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    tempura tantrum Shiba Inu Slave

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    Absolutely stay away from the wolf cross breeder Sush mentioned. That is a disaster just waiting to happen.

    As Summitview pointed out, there is NO such thing as a reputable wolf breeder.

    Wolves are WILD ANIMALS point blank. Just because they LOOK like dogs does NOT make them dogs. It's like saying that your Ocelot is "just like a cat" because you bought him from an "Ocelot breeder." Sure. They LOOK like house cats (slightly bigger), but they are ANYTHING but. Most people would find it absolutely nuts to buy an Ocelot or a Lynx, or a Cougar...how the same sort of logic doesn't apply to wolves, I haven't the foggiest idea.

    Behavioral studies comparing dogs and wolves have proved that as much as we like to THINK they are similar, they are NOT. There are very few people in this world equipped to handle them...and anyone breeding them and selling them to the general public as "ideal PETS" are NOT part of that select few.

    And anyone who's letting people "order" these dogs over the internet?? They aren't handbags...they're animals. And potentially very dangerous ones at that. The fact that they're breeding them is bad enough, but selling them to anyone with cash is even MORE disgusting.

    Stick to Malamutes or Sibes- the Nordic breeds are a handful in their OWN right!
     
  4. musky hunter

    musky hunter Looking for a dog !

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    WTF....how do u determine how many % a puppy is...just ****ing retarded...
     
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    Easy , Musky ..... it's not hard to figure when you know the background .
     

  6. You took the words right out of my mouth!
     
  7. musky hunter

    musky hunter Looking for a dog !

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    each animal has it's own genetic's you cannot determine without examining DNA..each pup with the same parent's can have different charasteristics...Just stupid to say one has 55% and one 34%...
     
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    Babyblue5290 Happy Meal. Yum.

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    MH you should calm down. It's just a way of approximating how much wolf they have in them based on their parentage.
     
  9. musky hunter

    musky hunter Looking for a dog !

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    As tempura tantrum said it is very dangerous to sell animals that have approximatage amounts of wolf in them!

    It doesnt matter how much so called % of wolf are in these animals, I cannot justify selling these hybrids.
     
  10. Saje

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    There's no reason to get so upset about a thread and call ideas stupid. Not everyone is educated the same on all issues. You might want to choose a gentler approach.
     
  11. Aurora171989

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    musky, I have educated myself very well, please don't get the thread locked
     
  12. LabBreeder

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    There is a guy in California that gets his wolf/husky mixes from Alaska. They are 3rd or 4th generation wolf/husky crosses. Something like 1/4 wolf (I think). He had a beautiful white coated, blue eyed one on the truck with him. *He's an long haul truck driver and has had the dog with him since it was a puppy.* The dog was very protective of the truck and barked at anyone that looked at him and started walking towards the truck. If the guy was around and he was friendly towards you, Baby *the dog's name*, was fine. He would walk up to you, grasp your arm/hand in his mouth and gently pull you where he wanted you to go. If you didn't move, he'd clamp down a tad tighter (never breaking the skin though) until you followed. It was either follow or be dragged around by the arm. :eek: He was nice, but very protective and assertive. When the guy "played" rough with him (grabbing around the muzzle and play fighting) the dog caught his hand in his mouth and broke the skin.

    I believe they are beautiful animals, but I wouldn't recommend them. :(
     
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    Surprisingly, I got a quick response to my e-mail questioning what health testing the FL wolfdog breeder did.

    I asked:
    They responded:
    First of all, I hate the "health testing isn't a 100% guarantee" excuse. [​IMG]

    Responsible breeders utilize health testing to give their puppies the best possible chances of being healthy. They do not breed blindly!

    One of my dogs, Haluna, was diagnosed with corneal dystrophy about four or five years ago. You couldn't tell by just looking at her. Now you can see that her eyes are a bit clouded, but it didn't visibly show until about a year and a half ago.

    They've been breeding for 25 years, and from looking at their website they have a rather commercial breeding operation going. They can't possibly know the health status of every puppy they produced and sold.

    They say they've never had a dog with a genetic problem, but they don't test - so they wouldn't know!! [​IMG]
     
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    fillyone But please, call me Barb

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    As a GSD lover my advice is to stay away from anyone breeding outside of the GSD standard. Long coats are out of standard.
    That said however, often long coat puppies will be born to stock coat adults. You see it more in the West German showlines but from time to time in working lines and American lines.

    I also noticed the dogs are HUGE!
    This is the standard:
    German Shepherd Dog Height and Weight Standards
    Males:
    Height at the wither 60 cm to 65 cm (23.62 inches - 25.59 inches)
    Weight 30 kg to 40 kg. (66.14 pounds - 88.18 pounds; Midrange = 77 pounds)
    Females:
    Height at the wither 55 cm to 60 cm (21.65 inches - 23.62 inches)
    Weight 22 kg - 32 kg (48.5 pounds - 70.55 pounds; Midrange = 59.5 pounds)

    So you can see her females at 100+ pounds are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of standard.
    Here are a couple of my favorite sites that compare the different lines of GSDs and non-GSDs!
    http://www.nwk9.com/type_comparison.htm
    http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/13_Breed_Type/Breed_Types.html

    And please, don’t get a GSD because they look like a wolf :) Get a GSD because you really want a GSD! They’re not for everyone.
     
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    RIGHT ON. In other words...why WOULDN'T you health test? It's just one more thing you can do to ensure the safety of future generations.

    And this is EXACTLY why "oh we've never SEEN any health problems in our lines before, so we don't need to test for them" is such a crock! Thank you for pointing this out Summitview. I too am flabbergasted by people who use this excuse.

    Of course you're not going to see health problems if you're not LOOKING for them. And ESPECIALLY if you're selling your puppies at 5 and a half weeks of age. Sure...maybe your breeding stock LOOKS healthy, but how do you know they aren't both recessive carriers of some odd trait or health problem, one that will pop up in future generations (the generations you've just sold to unsuspecting puppy owners)?

    This very scenario has played out time and time again in several breeds in the purebred dog fancy. Breeder "x" who's been in the breed longer than the rest of us have been breathing has bred 2 jillion champions, including BIS and BISS winners. It's a well-known fact they don't health-test half as much as they used to, but their current stud is #1 in breed and all breed, so every one rushes to use him. Besides, breeder "x" has informed everyone that "scary disease" doesn't run in her lines.

    So imagine every one's shock when current stud's puppies start dropping dead at 3 years of age. Current stud is still going strong...but now how many of his COUNTLESS son's and daughters are affected? How many will die in the next year or so? How many are carriers? How many of THOSE dogs have been bred as well?

    All it takes is ONE influential person to slack off and entire BREEDS can be devestated.

    Look at some of the problems in Basenjis and you'll see what I'm talking about. I know some of the Australian Shepherd people are dealing with the same sort of problems as well.

    While I recognize that we're talking about hybrids here, the major point is, that health testing is NOT optional for ANYBODY who breeds. No matter HOW healthy the animals appear.
     
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    Aurora..you should consider rescuing. There are tons of husky and malamute rescues out there, especially up north. You'd be giving a dog in need a good home :)
     
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    wolfsoul I Love My Belgian

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    You absolutely can determine the percentage of wolf. You breed a dog to a wolf, it's 50% wolf (1/2 wolf). You breed one of the puppies to another pure dog, it's 25% (1/4) wolf. That's all the percentages are -- if you know the dog's pedigree, it's isn't hard to calculate the percentage of wolf a wolfdog carries.

    I also completely disagree with breeding wolfdogs. There are people out there that shouldn't even have a dog, much less a wolfdog.

    There are a ton of breeds out there that look like wolves. :) Just make sure you read about the temperments of each breed. I'm sure you'll find one that matches you well! People often ask me if my dogs are wolves (Belgian shepherds/sheepdogs).

    Along with the other breeds mentioned there are the rarer Sarloos wolfhond and Czech wolfdog --- both very wolfy looking, but hard to find outside of Europe unfortunatly.
     
  18. Aurora171989

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    thanks, I'll probably rescue or adopt a doggy from a shelter when i'm ready. I've seen all your opinions and advice and have made my decision.
     

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