Question...

[BigDog2191]

okay, I did answer it. I told you that the gsd is the least dominant of all the gaurdian breeds. wether you choose to beleive that or not is your decision. just remember that Im not the only one posting on this thread whos telling you that gaurd breeds are dominant breeds, and I am basing that statement on a hell of a lot of experience. your basing your disbeleif on what? one dog? I can tell you this, if I had been this reluctant to beleive things my very first training instructor had told me he would have refused to help me train my dog.
okay, Im done trying to help for a while. good luck.

One dog? I've seen and met a lot of GSD's. And you heard Renee, even another user on this forum had domineering problems on this forum during the adolescent years, which is where Rocky is.

Renee said, that guardian breeds are headstrong. I've DEALT with that. I don't have a training instructor.. and you keep asking all these weird questions asking what the problem was that I had earlier, when it's FIXED. It was a simple question and for some reason you had so much trouble answering.

 

[stirder]

yes, the gsd is dominant. all gaurdian breeds are. THE GSD IS LESS DOMINANT AND MORE EAGER TO PLEASE THAN ANY OTHER GAURDIAN OR HERDING DOG BREED!!!!
you are the one who said you want a breed that is less dominant than the gsd. logic dictates that therefore you want a non-gaurdian breed.
and wether you are educated enough to understand it or not, the questions I asked are very important.

 

[stirder]

the reasons my questions about how you trained your dog, and what problems you had affect my suggestion of another gaurd breed is because some problems will be more prevelant in some breeds, other problems more so in other breeds.
if you tell what the problems were, how you fixed them and how long it took you to fix them that will give me and everyone else a better idea of what problems you will have with another gaurd breed, and how hard it will be for you to fix them.
for example, my new clients often ask this question... "my new gsd only listens to me when he/she wants to, how do I fix it." "tell me how you give a command" "fido...sit? fido!!! sit? FIDO!!! sit???" "its a question and if he ignores it you, you ask again and again. TELL the dog to sit. if he doesnt do it immediately give a small jerk on the collar and place pressure on his rear end"
wether you understand the ways or not there are many people on here who will ask you questions before offering a suggestion. its that simple.

 

[BigDog2191]

I understand that. Though... thank you for FINALLY explaining why the question was asked. I'd be happy to answer it... not now though... I guess if you're still up to it and chill out, then I'll tell you through PM.

 

[Renee750il]

Sheesh. You think a the guardian dogs are domineering......try a herding dog LOL

Casper still thinks he knows best w/ the cattle. I have to remind him even though he's WELL trained and has a few herding titles.

ROFLMAO! How well I know! Most guardian breeds were/are originally dual purpose dogs; drovers as well as guardians, including the German Shepherd, although most people forget that since the AKC has chosen to largely disregard the working abilities of dogs . . .

BigDoggyDaddy, I wish you lived close by - I'd have you working with Filas in no time. When you can work with a Fila, you can deal with just about anything that's intelligent

I think, despite the trials and tribulations you and Rocky have been through together, that you've got the heart and the intellect to deal with just about any kind of dog you'd like down the road. Not yet, but down the road a bit.

 

[BigDog2191]

Thanks Renee...

 

[bubbatd]

Hey Big...Rocky will grow up to defend you without being a mean dog. Me thinks someone wants to stir-der pot !!!! Got mine boiling when he said Goldens weren't smart !!!

 

[BigDog2191]

Hey Big...Rocky will grow up to defend you without being a mean dog. Me thinks someone wants to stir-der pot !!!! Got mine boiling when he said Goldens weren't smart !!!

It's what I was thinking too, Bubba.

But unfortunaetly, a lot of people agree with him. According to him, a lot of people have been PMing him saying that he's completely right and that I'm being ignorant and insane ... oh well...

 

[Adrienne]

BigDogDaddy, being around a GSD pup that is a bit older than your Rocky and a Caucasian Ovcharka I have to say that Gunnar is way easier to keep on track and much more eager to please, I have had very few training problems with him and anything he wasn't getting was because I was teaching it wrong. Katya could care less what I am doing, she takes very little intrest in me unless I have food, else she is busy doing her thing which is being on alert. It is hard to bond with her because of her aloof attitude, she is much harder to train because the motivation is just not there, not in food, play, toys, etc. Nothing is as exciting to her as aggressing a possible "threat" and that is just plain dangerous. I feel much safer working around Gunnar than around Katya. I have owned two pitts, a rottie/shepherd mix, and a springer/pointer mix, Gunnar has been the least avoident of training, he enjoys it more than the others ever did.
I don't want to tick you off, please do not take offense, I am just letting you know what my experience in a GSD versus a gaurdian breed has been. If you were to start researching breeders of the different breeds you were interested in they should be willing to let you know exactly what type of temperment the dogs should have, how they react, etc. Katya came with a written book from the breeder on special training tips etc. due to the "extreme" nature of the dog. Research is your best buddy as you know. Good luck on your search and let us know what you finally decide!

 

[Renee750il]

Adrienne, the "last bite" thing is a great tool with these dogs - you wouldn't believe how well they respond to it. Once they've taken you as their own their devotion is total - their people are their whole world. The key to these dogs is love.

 

[poeluvr]

You're not hurting my feelings but I mean, I did deal with them. AND I KNOW, it wasn't him just being a puppy. I'm not an idiot, I did research, I asked for help, I did a lot.

I really don't know why you don't want to believe me.

My training methods, how I stopped it, or anything of that sort has nothing to do with the question.

Find me someone on this forum who does not believe that GSD's are dominant dogs.

Like I said, if I worked 12 years with all sorts of different dog-breeds then of COURSE, the GSD is nothing.

But, I haven't. I'm becoming defensive because you choose not to answer my questions and instead bug me about how my dog was being domineering and how I handled it.

IT SHOULDN'T MATTER! I don't understand why it would... the question is SIMPLE! If you don't want to answer, don't!

i think bigdog is young or a teen and is confused, but i think strider is handling this very well
my 2 cents, and for everyones knowledge i did not pm anyone bigdog just incase you may think i did cuz im agreeing with strider on this point

 

[stirder]

I didnt say goldens werent smart did I? I said german shepherds are smarter, but I love goldens, grew up with one, and I am deffinetly not trying to stir the pot. I was trying to inform bigdog, and trying to get some more info from him/her so I could give better advice. unfortunately bigdog would offer any more info.

 

[BigDog2191]

Because you refused to tell me why the hell whatever problem I had with him would be relevent...

 

[poeluvr]

oh boy........

 

[BigDog2191]

i think bigdog is young or a teen and is confused, but i think strider is handling this very well
my 2 cents, and for everyones knowledge i did not pm anyone bigdog just incase you may think i did cuz im agreeing with strider on this point

You think I'm a teen or young.... and that I'm confused... what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

oh boy, is right... whatever... I don't even care anymore.

 

[stirder]

no actually I didnt, I sent you a private message telling you why. if I said "I have a problem. my dog wont listen to a thing I say" people would ask me questions. the questions were relevant because you didnt provide near enough information in your original post.

 

[BigDog2191]

That I wanted a dog that wasn't as domineering as a German Shepherd? But you told me that there is no such thing as a guard dog that is less domineering than a German Shepherd. That's it. That's all that should've been said. You answered my question right there.

 

[oriondw]

If you think that your dog is trying to dominate you when he's just a puppy... highly doubtful.

The only dogs i've seen that tried to actually assert their place in a pack were ~2+ years old dogs with extremely weak owners who would practically roll over for the dog.

As far as different breeds being more dominant then others, in my opinion it depends more on the dog then on the breed. I've seen some labs that are dominant to a point of it being unhealthy ( for them) and i've seen huge rotts just roll over and pee themselves when a dominant dog come in. Im sure breed has alot to do with % of dogs that can become dominant versus submissive, but the best thing to do is to check out the parents first. See how they act and ask breeder to help you pick a right puppy. Oh and dominance goes different ways... a dog can be submissive with his direct family and very domineering with everyone else.

Oh and someone posted pitbulls, they make terrible guard dogs...