Pups on the way

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  1. LabBreeder

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    I may or may not be able to respond any time soon, so try to keep the questions minimal for now. I'm using the libraries computer (across the street from our new home).
    Update first: We moved into our own 2 bedroom home a little over a month ago. Tira and Gunner have the second bedroom to themselves at night and when we are gone. We leave the blinds up so they can see outside and have plenty of sun. We also leave the t.v. on Animal Planet so they aren't completely bored/lonely. We also have a new (to us) '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Our old red pick up seized up on us finally and will NOT start no matter what. :( Oh well, maybe someone will want it for parts. :)

    Now, on to the part that I would normally hate to mention in here but will because I know alot of you would want to know and will not criticise to much.
    Tira and Gunner hooked up 1/23 at 9pm. We went to the vet when she was 43 days along and were told to come back in a week for an x-ray because they couldn't feel anything doing the abdominal palpitations. Tira was to tense and tight. We went back last Tuesday (a week ago today) and had an x-ray done. There are 3 (possibly 4) pups. The latest she would have them would be Thursday...however, her temp has been below 100 for 24 hrs now and she started nesting early this morning. She didn't like the place I prepared for her in their room but decided that she'd rather be in the closet by our bed. Gunner is a year old, her shots are up to date, the pups seem very healthy (x-ray looked good and they kick and roll alot) and 2 are already promised to good homes. One is going to a vet assistant and the other to one of Tony's teachers at M.A.C.
    I have a health guarantee covering eyes, hips and general health upon purchase. I also have copies of both of their pedigrees, basic care info, breed info, a questionaire for the potential owners as well as a few other things that escape me at the time. We are going to be available for the life time of the pups and are requesting pictures and progress reports as they grow. Neut/spay is required, having our last name in the pups registered name required, any breach of contract (pup being left outside, not being cared for, etc) we'll take them back and if they move or can't take care of the pups for any reason to bring them back to us. I think I did pretty good. There is more in the contract, but those are the basics. If you have any other additions that you think would be necessary or an improvement just let me know. I will be checking in on here sometime in the next few days/weeks.

    The pups will also be listed for sale in the breeder section of AKC's website. I just want healthy pups and we'll be happy. If we can't find acceptable homes, regardless of selling price, we plan on keeping them (of course). I have at least 15 questions that a potential buyer must answer and that I must approve of before I will even take a deposit, much less let them have a pup.

    Try not to criticise, what's done is done. If we'd been in our own place with them inside they wouldn't have mated in the first place. Since it happened, and she's going to have them sometime tonight or tomorrow and we have boned up on as much info as we possibly could in the past 60 days...it's just a matter of waiting now. I won't be able to post pictures but I will be taking pictures and will describe them in detail when I get the chance. I will be very busy over the next 8 weeks (and beyond) but will do my best to come by.

    I will be off Tues and Thurs and Tony will be in school those days. I will be working during the week between 8a and 8p. Tony will have 4 days of 5-8. We're pretty much set so someone will be home with the pups.


    We're very excited, nervous, anxious and worried. Gonna be grandparents!

    COOL
     
  2. Zoom

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    Is Gunnar even a year yet?

    Good luck with everything!
     
  3. Red_ACD_for_me

    Red_ACD_for_me Ruled by a RED boy!

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    I'm not to sure how to react or what to say. They say if you can't say nothing nice then don't say anything at all..........but why in the heck do people leave two intact M/F together and not expect them to breed :rolleyes: Gunner is only a year old so no hips have been checked or has he been penn hipped? How old is Cheyenne?
    I also must say this little rant....for the simple fact that our shelters here in Mass are overflowing with unwanted dogs both pure and mixed from down South because they don't seem to bother to Spay and neuter and don't have enough homes for them. IMO the South is the breeding capital of oops litters and Missouri is well known for puppy mills. Just generalizing of course :D , not saying that you are ;) Anyways, I hope all goes well for you and you have a healthy litter of pups :)
     
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    Well, I am sure you expected some of us to be upset and I know I am. I spend all my waking hours trying to find homes for and caring for dogs that were abused, abandoned, or neglected. Your pups, from parents that have not proven themselves worthy of being bred are taking up homes that should be going to dogs sitting on death row. Another thing that upsets me is that your a member of Chaz. You should know better. :(

    Sorry to rain on your parade but I find it very sad.

    I honestly mean it when I say it though.....good luck, I hope it works out well for your female and her pups.
     
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    What's been done ...is done . Right now I'm more concerned with the whelping ...... please get her out of the closet !!! If she won't move now , as soon as 1st pup arrives move it to your prepared whelping pen ....she'll happily follow . You've had 2 months to prepare for this .....and you've been a member here long enough to know how most of us feel . So ...... bless the young mommy and the little ones ......... hopefully you know what's ahead and that you'll be very busy the next 8 weeks .
     
  6. Red_ACD_for_me

    Red_ACD_for_me Ruled by a RED boy!

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    While I totally understand that what is done is done, the fact remains that as a member of Chaz (lab breeder) and someone who has common knowledge or education is how you can just go and let your dogs have an OOPS litter in the first place :( I mean with a name like lab breeder, obviously you plan on being one. Just thought that being on Chaz things would be done a little more responsibly ;)
     
  7. When an "oops" happens, people ask for advice and make a plan on what to do.

    There were options open to you that would have prevented this litter from happening.

    Can't blame the dogs, and I hope she gets through it healthy. Shame on you, tho. You know better.
     
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    For lurkers . There are no excuses for a " whoops " . I had 3 intact males and 2 females living together . Any normal male will be interested as the females starts to come into heat . At this point the female rejects the male . The owner now knows , checks the female and separates . Sure , they may not mate , but why put both through anguish ? But please ....let's get those baby's whelped , Mom checked , and 8 weeks of TLC !!!
     
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    People, what's done is DONE!

    Been there, done that.....C'mon people. Did any of you know since she has been a member here for awhile, that her dog was pregnant? THAT was the time to rant and demeanor, not now. Now is the time to make sure she is ready for these pups and she knows what to do and expect. And she REALLY needs to know that you are here for her if she needs you, as I once had to do.
    Obviously, she KNOWS that our shelters are full of dogs, they are getting PTS every day, especially this breed, she had to have known this before the breeding took place, so, FOR the PUPPIES sake,and the mommas sake, stick around and assist.
    I know no one has been totally rude YET, just wanted to say my piece before it happens. This is a time that members need to stick together, there is always a later for what need be. Hope all goes well, and hope all stay healthy.
    Next time, be more careful...
    Afterwards, do what you will...
     
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    You know I'm in the mom's and pups corner !
     
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    Mach, she never posted that her dog was pregnant. She hasn't been here since like...December. If she had, you know what sort of responses she would have gotten. But she waited until the pups are getting ready to be born so we can't tell her to get the mismate shot or go spay/neuter her dogs.
     
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    I'm with Zoom ..... we were in the dark until now . So let's rally behind the whelp . She may need our help . It's like a teenage pregnancy .....it sure isn't the pups' fault !
     
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    I'm a little confused as to why everyone immeadiatly thinks this is an accidental breeder? Maybe I'm misreading somewhere???

    Her SN is LabBreeder, and the website is all about Durden Labs. Gunnar was born in March of 2006...
    here is the guarentee on their pups...

    ... I don't even know what else to say...

    But I hope the mom and pups well! LB, Let is know if you have any questions or help with anything !!
     
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    Because of these parts of her post:

     
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    OutlineACDs Crazy Dog!

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    Yes, shame on you. Up until a few months ago, you could barely afford to live, and you're bringing puppies into the world? what happens if she god forbid needs a c-section at 2 am?

    There's no excuse - keeping two intact animals with no health testing, no titling, no proof that they are worthy of being bred except that they both have working male and female parts, and now there are puppies from them. I don't know what you thought WOULD happen? A male that has no right to be bred, he's not even the MINIMAL age for appropriate health testing much less that he's still really a puppy himself... *shakes head*

    I hope that everything goes well for her and that the puppies are healthy. And I hope you learn your lesson - though I seriously doubt it.
     
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    I'm confused, I thought, by the website, that Gunner was the male?
     
  18. Red_ACD_for_me

    Red_ACD_for_me Ruled by a RED boy!

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    Thanks for posting that Outline, BYB you say :rolleyes:

    *Our Labs are only bred 2x per year to insure a healthy mother and pups*.
    So, basically you will breed your bitch every season which is twice a year, great for her :(



    All puppies are vaccinated and dewormed prior to sale.



    Distinct otter tail, blocky heads, shiny coats, hunting...field...or companion.




    About her boyfriend:

    Tira's boyfriend is an AKC registered chocolate Lab. He is only 5 1/2 weeks old now, but he'll be her husband once he's old enough to mate. They are going to be our top couple at Durden's Labrador Retrievers.

    Litter available in the spring of 2007. Blacks and Chocolates. E-mail for info..
    LOOKS LIKE THIS LITTER WAS PLANNED AFTERALL :yikes:






    Top Quality Labs with hunting/field pedigree.

    Dislikes:
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    - apples

    - lightning

    - when you ignore her and she wants to play.
     
  19. Brattina88

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    I see your point. However, I'm still not convinced ;)

    edit: guess we're posting at the same time Red_ACD. I guess now's not the time for an I-told-you-so dance :p
    edit my edit: nevermind... no need to preach to the choir. heh
     
  20. jess2416

    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    Ditto ^^ it even says on her website that a litter was planned for spring of 07...

    OMG....its the spring of '07 NOW :yikes:

    Anyhoo, whats done is done, and I wish the best for Tira, but Im not really sure what to say to you right now...:(
    You knew when Tira was going to come into heat, and you could've taken measures to prevent this, but I honestly dont think thats what you even attempted to do...

    Good luck...thats about all I can say
     
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