Puppies for adoption
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Ohh, man, what a sad thread!
First of all - spaying does not affect a dog's working ability. My spayed females have worked sheep successfully and well. They also guard well - I have four spayed bitches and not only are none of them fat and lazy, they are quite alert and active and they keep their minds on their jobs instead of having those minds swayed by hormonal changes. Spaying your dog would make her BETTER because there wouldn't be times that she has to be locked away.
Second - I don't think you can even call your dog a "working dog" - she's simply a dog that hangs out with the two sheep .. *L* .. so your excuse is moot.
Third - if you're collecting money for puppies, then you're selling them. It would be different if you had said "I'm asking $50 per puppy as a refundable deposit once proof of spay/neuter has been done" .. but that's not what you said. You're asking money and you'll pocket that money and it won't change a thing as far as getting "responsible" people to take the pups.
I've seen people pay thousands for a horse and then let it starve to death. It's a misconception that asking money will only bring out responsible people. As someone trying to find homes for these pups, you should have an extensive application process. You should ask about vet references, fenced yards, training methods, etc. But I'm guessing that you're just asking for the money (yes, I could be wrong, but surely you'd have mentioned these other things by now).
Fourth - dogs do not come into heat by YOUR calendar, as is obvious by your continued statement that your dog came into heat two months before you expected. This could happen again, of course! Just like humans, some dogs have a regular cycle and some don't. It's easy to excuse it by calling it a silent heat, but the fact of the matter is that you don't even know because your "working dog" was off with someone else for at least a month.
It's your responsibility to make sure this doesn't happen again, and that those pups that you have now produced don't go on to breed too. There's just no comparison between you and a responsible breeder, so trying to shift blame to them is ridiculous. A responsible breeder not only keeps their dogs from having accidental pregnancies, but they have dogs that are health tested and temperament tested, dogs that are proven according to the breed standard and have shown that they have something to offer to the breed. To say you know more than the rest of us about breeding only shows your ignorance.
I've lived with intact females for seven years and have never had an accidental pregnancy.
I do hope you find good homes for those pups, because they deserve good homes. And I know you feel people are harshing on you here - and yes, they are - but they're doing it because they don't want to see more unneeded mixed breed pups produced when hundreds or thousands are destroyed every week due to a lack of homes.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
First of all - spaying does not affect a dog's working ability. My spayed females have worked sheep successfully and well. They also guard well - I have four spayed bitches and not only are none of them fat and lazy, they are quite alert and active and they keep their minds on their jobs instead of having those minds swayed by hormonal changes. Spaying your dog would make her BETTER because there wouldn't be times that she has to be locked away.
Second - I don't think you can even call your dog a "working dog" - she's simply a dog that hangs out with the two sheep .. *L* .. so your excuse is moot.
Third - if you're collecting money for puppies, then you're selling them. It would be different if you had said "I'm asking $50 per puppy as a refundable deposit once proof of spay/neuter has been done" .. but that's not what you said. You're asking money and you'll pocket that money and it won't change a thing as far as getting "responsible" people to take the pups.
I've seen people pay thousands for a horse and then let it starve to death. It's a misconception that asking money will only bring out responsible people. As someone trying to find homes for these pups, you should have an extensive application process. You should ask about vet references, fenced yards, training methods, etc. But I'm guessing that you're just asking for the money (yes, I could be wrong, but surely you'd have mentioned these other things by now).
Fourth - dogs do not come into heat by YOUR calendar, as is obvious by your continued statement that your dog came into heat two months before you expected. This could happen again, of course! Just like humans, some dogs have a regular cycle and some don't. It's easy to excuse it by calling it a silent heat, but the fact of the matter is that you don't even know because your "working dog" was off with someone else for at least a month.
It's your responsibility to make sure this doesn't happen again, and that those pups that you have now produced don't go on to breed too. There's just no comparison between you and a responsible breeder, so trying to shift blame to them is ridiculous. A responsible breeder not only keeps their dogs from having accidental pregnancies, but they have dogs that are health tested and temperament tested, dogs that are proven according to the breed standard and have shown that they have something to offer to the breed. To say you know more than the rest of us about breeding only shows your ignorance.
I've lived with intact females for seven years and have never had an accidental pregnancy.
I do hope you find good homes for those pups, because they deserve good homes. And I know you feel people are harshing on you here - and yes, they are - but they're doing it because they don't want to see more unneeded mixed breed pups produced when hundreds or thousands are destroyed every week due to a lack of homes.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
Well the pups are adorable, and I'll keep em' in my prayers. I've got my hands full with my own pup at the moment but i really do hope they find good homes. Dont forget about spay/neuter contracts for the remaining pups because you dont really now how responsible the adopters are.
Good luck,
Fransheska
Good luck,
Fransheska
I forgot to say, try posting asking ur local rescues if they could post a pic of your puppies up (only ask this if they dont have puppies already available) usually rescues here are bombarded with "DO U HAVE ANY PUPPIES?!" questions so maybe the rescue could help you out in finding homes for them AND the people would have to fill out an adoption form, spay/neuter contract AND the money will ward off bad people AND be a donation to the rescue.
Good luck
Good luck
TY for your advice I have taken it to heart. If needs be I will but I dont want them to go to any shelter if needs be I would keep them all (of coarse fixing them to prevent inbreeding) They are all doing very well Very Social which isnt hard when your dads a pastor. They are 4 weeks old And I already seem to have 4 puppies homes! Its sad to think I only have a few more weeks with them!! We may keep a male but It all depends on our move!
Your above post is a good Idea but I know for a fact they probobly are totally bogged down right now. People here think nothing of ditching or handing puppies out in Walmart. Which Is why I have an adoption fee I dont believe freeness is safe. It invites the irresponsible. And the homes I have found are people who will fix there pets.
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I have an idea since everyone says only show quality dogs can be intact.
All the ugly people go get fixed, all the people who carry genetic illnesses go get fixed, all of those who are not responsible go get fixed, all of those who are not planning on having kids go get fixed, all of those who are gay go get fixed, all the poor people go get fixed, all of those who don't fit the "human standard" go get fixed.
Maybe if that happens the poverty and starvation of the world would come to an end. All of you not worthy of producing a "quality" child to improve the human race, GO GET FIXED.
All the ugly people go get fixed, all the people who carry genetic illnesses go get fixed, all of those who are not responsible go get fixed, all of those who are not planning on having kids go get fixed, all of those who are gay go get fixed, all the poor people go get fixed, all of those who don't fit the "human standard" go get fixed.
Maybe if that happens the poverty and starvation of the world would come to an end. All of you not worthy of producing a "quality" child to improve the human race, GO GET FIXED.
**virtual High 5** lol i know spaying/neutering is VERY important, but some times people just attack on these boards
Wow. I can't even condone this post with anymore of an answer than that. I don't even find it to be remotely discussable.
I think was really gets my goat is the fact that the OP is argueing her "knowledge" of breeding (in light of the "accident"). If in fact you are as knowledgeable as you claim, why didn't you take into consideration that bitches have irregular heats? And please don't pull that guilt business that the pups may not get a home now b/c of people coming at you and calling you out for what has happened.
And how do you know that the people you are selling your pups to are going to alter them? That they are the type of people to alter? You are advertising pups for sale on a public forum for crying out loud, you don't know these people from Adam. So that is an absolutely bogus claim.
And I really want to give credit where credit is due, however I don't remember who suggested it... But whoever suggested a modest adoption fee that is reimbursed upon proof of alteration, BRAVO!! Excellant idea! Now THAT is an adoption fee. Not selling, as is what this senario is.
I think was really gets my goat is the fact that the OP is argueing her "knowledge" of breeding (in light of the "accident"). If in fact you are as knowledgeable as you claim, why didn't you take into consideration that bitches have irregular heats? And please don't pull that guilt business that the pups may not get a home now b/c of people coming at you and calling you out for what has happened.
And how do you know that the people you are selling your pups to are going to alter them? That they are the type of people to alter? You are advertising pups for sale on a public forum for crying out loud, you don't know these people from Adam. So that is an absolutely bogus claim.
And I really want to give credit where credit is due, however I don't remember who suggested it... But whoever suggested a modest adoption fee that is reimbursed upon proof of alteration, BRAVO!! Excellant idea! Now THAT is an adoption fee. Not selling, as is what this senario is.
First off.. People do not have written standards for each race..
DOGS DO for each breed...
So.. logically your post is nothing but a smart ass comment.
Very off topic indeed.
This again, is a Personal opinion.. Dogs do not get those, their owners get them. As well, humans have values and beliefs. If a humane woman did not want to have children, yet continued to have intercourse, there are still preventative methods to use.
For dogs.. there are none, so if your female plays with males and she isn't fixed - you run into problems.
DOGS DO for each breed...
So.. logically your post is nothing but a smart ass comment.
Very off topic indeed.
This again, is a Personal opinion.. Dogs do not get those, their owners get them. As well, humans have values and beliefs. If a humane woman did not want to have children, yet continued to have intercourse, there are still preventative methods to use.
For dogs.. there are none, so if your female plays with males and she isn't fixed - you run into problems.
The other people are not people from this forum and some of the people are friends. And I do ask them to spay but it is there choice..(Now your judgeing ppl that arent even here to defend themselves) Man people are judgemental.
As to Dobiegurls post BRAVO It is the same. A pure bred is no better than a Mix. It isnt what it is that makes the dog special it is the relation ship you have with it. Do you even know my adoption fee no... You dont even no what expect of my buyers. You just keep going on and on about how horrible I am b/c I wont fix my dog. If you want to fix your dog FIX IT If you dont DONT. Man its like religion you just cant push it on ppl. You ppl are sick you enjoy jumping all over ppl b/c they dont act like you or follow your guidelines. They read no Spay and just go at it with the person
Actually you are the one that brought the buyers into the mix, not me, you stated the people you sell your puppies too are the type of people that alter. What I am saying is that if you are advertising puppies for sale on a public forum, that means you are willing to sell them to people who will pm you (as you requested) and want to buy them. How you do know that these people are the type of people to alter as you claim they are??? You know them from a few posts on a forum? Because they say they will? I am saying this for the pups best interests.
I said from the get go that I am not one to push spay/neuter if a person choses not to for whatever their reasons are. But for crying out loud, I would exact the person who choses NOT to alter to be responsible with their pets. As clearly you were not. And here you are discussing an "adoption fee" again and insist you are not selling them, but then your next sentence you talk about your "buyers".
I said from the get go that I am not one to push spay/neuter if a person choses not to for whatever their reasons are. But for crying out loud, I would exact the person who choses NOT to alter to be responsible with their pets. As clearly you were not. And here you are discussing an "adoption fee" again and insist you are not selling them, but then your next sentence you talk about your "buyers".
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Yes, standard written by people who are nothing more than someone's idea of a certain breed. There is no "true" standard as all judges see their own "standard" and what they feel is the best dog that portrays their vision of the ideal dog. One judge may choose one dog will others will choose different ones.
Exactly!!!
Not so much. We were on the topic of only breeding when your dog has all of its materialistic qualities of the breed "standard".
Exactly!!!
Not so much. We were on the topic of only breeding when your dog has all of its materialistic qualities of the breed "standard".
lol.. have you ever BEEN to a dog show before?? have you shown yourself at a dog show before??
Judges chose a dog based on its ability to physically match the BREED STANDARD, not compare their own opinions on which is "cuter" or "prettier".
The reason why differen't judges have different opinions is because you aren't always against the SAME dogs..
Judges chose a dog based on its ability to physically match the BREED STANDARD, not compare their own opinions on which is "cuter" or "prettier".
The reason why differen't judges have different opinions is because you aren't always against the SAME dogs..
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