Prong leashes

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  1. Cthulhu7

    Cthulhu7 Mitch & Erin

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    Hey everybody. I've been posting a lot, but i haven't had a dog since i was five, so bear with me.

    Cthulhu pulls on his leash a lot. He's easily distracted by squirrels, birds, etc. i know that as a schnauzer he's bred for hunting, but i can't have him pulling my arm of every time he's excited.

    what's the general stance on prong leashes? Are they ok if used properly? And does anyone have a good link for a tutorial? Thanks
     
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    I would personally try a no pull harness (front clipping) for control and do some training first. If you can't make any progress using pain free techniques then consider a prong collar. Can't help with instructions on use, never used one myself.
     
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    I've never heard of a prong leash? Do you mean prong collar?

    Honestly you are going to get some varying responses on here when iy comes to prong collars, shock collars, etc.

    I personally have used a prong collar on my dog Cricket though we rarely use it anymore. I think when used correctly and on a dog with a good solid temperament they can be useful. I wouldn't use one on say a dog with reactivity issues and I wouldn't recommend them as a forever solution, but instead as a tool to help you while you work on teaching your dog not to pull. I WOULD recommend having a professional trainer show you how to use one correctly though if that's the route you decide to take. Have you tried positive reinforcement training first? You may be able to work on this situation without needing to resort to a prong collar for backup.How big is your dog? I can't recall if I've seen pics yet or not. I personally wouldn't use one on a smaller dog either for safety reasons.

    If used and fitted correctly I definitely see a use for them on certain dogs, but I feel they can be disastrous if the person on the other end of the leash doesn't know how to use them. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people yanking dogs around all over the place on prong collars and it makes me cringe.
     
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    I would work on training and self control. Work on getting him to focus on you, leave its, etc.

    I used prongs for a LOONG time, recommended them, sold them, etc. No more. Do I think they are horrible torture devices? NO, but I also know there are better ways to train and I wont take the chance of reactivity they can cause.
     
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    I have a no pull harness, and it helped a lot. I know there are a few different brands now.
     
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    Prongs are great when used properly. They aid walking and can be used as successful training tools. I would however make an attempt to also train the dog to not over stimulate as well.
     
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    I don't really like prongs... There was a lab on one at the vet office I'm job shadowing at, and it just pulled non stop regardless! I felt so bad for its neck.

    As an aside, if you do get one, don't let your vet staff handle the dog with the prong on--the tech I was shadowing was constantly leash popping that dog and yelling "sit, sit!" I took the dog's head in my hands and looked at him and said "Hey, you. Sit." and lo and behold, he finally sat. Didn't even touch the collar. I wanted to say "hey, look what I can do that you can't!" and smack the tech.
     
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    Many of the dogs i work with would rather a collar correction than a human grabbing them or potentially intimidating them by getting in their face.

    That said there are right and wrong ways to use every tool and every training technique. It just takes time and tinkering to find the best option for your dog.
     
  9. Cthulhu7

    Cthulhu7 Mitch & Erin

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    Thank you everybody. I did mean collar, not leash. I tend to forget that he's only been with us for a week and a half, and needs time. I will look at other forms of training first.
     
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    I didn't grab at him... I was very gentle. Just for the record. If he wanted to pull away he could have. I don't think it was very fair to the dog to yank on his collar repeatedly when simply getting down to his level would do the trick.
     
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    I would stay away from prong collars. They have their place in training, but for a dog you haven't tried anything else with... Why make them your first choice? You could use loose-leash training as an opportunity to really bond with your dog and create a great team-work based relationship. Look into other options first! :)

    I love this method and recommend you give the video a watch. This method will help the dog learn to associate you with good things, and your dog doesn't need to be administered discomfort/pain. Additionally, I know sometimes dogs learn not to pull on the prong collar but as soon as it is removed they go back to their old habits. Instead of teaching your dog that not heeling is painful, let's teach him heeling is FUN :)

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZa5o2_6eo&feature=plcp
     
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    I like prongs if used correctly but NOT for your breed of dog. A no pull harness would improve him, but it sounds to me like his problem is his attention span. I can find you a link on it, but you've already been given good advice.
     
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    i have used prongs in the past when necessary and probably will again on future dogs. You must, however, understand that it's a training tool, not a long-term solution. Dogs that pull constantly and pull in a prong just learn to ignore it, and then it's useless. You have yo actually train as well.

    A prong LEASH could be a bit uncomfortable...though probably quite useful in teaching handlers not to constantly keep a tight leash ;)

    Had you done that where I work you would have been dismissed on the spot. we don't let shadows touch animals for liability reasons, and grabbing a dog's face is definitely out of the question, especially when you stare at him as well. Granted popping a prong and giving a dog a command it clearly doesn't know is stupid as well, but not as dangerous and likely to get someone bit as taking a strange dog's face and looking directly at them in their face.
     
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    I agree with a dog you haven't had long, it's probably best to try other training methods... Rage was 2 1/2 when I got her and wasn't really required to walk on a leash politely up to that point... I just kind of let her slide for a while, a few blocks into our walk she'd stop pulling so hard...

    I love our prong. It's made our walks & yes, our relationship, so much more pleasant. As of the past week, I switch from her prong to her flat collar once we're done with our Couch25K workout, and she walks about the same. Is she a PERFECT walker? No, but my hand/arm aren't sore anymore, and she's a joy to walk with, rather than having walks be something I dread.

    ETA: yes, it's definitely a TOOL, not a SOLUTION - I use the prong on Bear whenever I have him because he's not with me that often, and has no leash manners... so the prong hasn't fixed or taught him anything, but he weighs half of what I do and it's nearly impossible for me to control him otherwise.
     
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    Well... What I said came off the wrong way and I do actually agree with what you are saying. I'm sorry it sounds like I was grabbing or staring at a strange dog, but I assure you I was very gentle and he was definitely giving me kisses the whole time. I know canine body language fairly well... So I'm sorry that I sound like I put myself and the dog in a bad place, but I assure you I did not do things the way it came off. I admit I don't know everything... But I learned and got the point the first time someone called me out. I don't really feel the need to keep defending myself over the same issue, so I'm going to back out of this thread now.
     
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    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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    I use a prong now with Willow because sometimes she forgets good manners and my poor shoulder just can't take much pressure anymore before it falls out of the socket. So I use either the prong with a leash or the e collar and no leash and life is pretty awesome for both of us.

    Without a doubt it's a tool and it can be a highly effective one used properly like just about anything.
     
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    What's an e collar?
     
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    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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    electronic collar.

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  19. SevenSins

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    I "know canine body language fairly well" myself, and let me assure you, you wouldn't want to do what you did with that dog to (for example) my AB, in any possible way I can imagine you doing it. Some dogs give off a whole lot less body language than you might think.

    ...or make the dog suspicious of you and cause problems that you're now in too vulnerable of a position to remove yourself from easily. I don't think anyone was necessarily worried about the dog pulling away.
     
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    Depending on the situation, I can see the point I think that was trying to be made. I have seen a lot of overfriendly outgoing dogs (think the stereotypical golden) who when a bit nervous respond by being even more friendly. You could pop them all day and the just keep wagging and kissing. But, do a couple slow calm pets, connect, and calmly ask for something and they sit.

    I didnt see where she said she grabbed the dogs face, gave him a hard stare and growled at them...that would be totally different.
     

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