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[Buddy'sParents]

and to ppl like Baxter'smybaby I will keep you posted on what my vet says. I didnt come her to be hurt again.
your hearts are in the right place to. but I guess you forget that there is a real person behind each s/n.

if you look at it from my angle you may see yourselfs in a diffrent light.

It's not about you. It's about the dog.

 

[naturesgift]

I think that you need to get your story straight. Try the truth, for instance.

You have got to be kidding me.

Don't make this about me, when YOUR story doesn't add up. I am far from perfect, but I would never go so far as to not be able to tell my story the correct way the first time.

You need to take that poor dog to the vet for xrays. If she's not pregnant, obviously she needs to go on a diet. If she is, then the pups should be aborted because you know absolutely nothing about her history.. unless, of course... you've weaved a tangled web of lies for us. Please listen to the excellent advice that knowledgeable breeders are giving you.

Im sorry but maybe Im blind. in just these two posts you made it sound like I was a liar. which. makes me a liar,,which is like calling me a liar.

maybe you need to learn how to give advice. Im taking your advice and asking my vet. though all I asked is if you thought she was pregnant. then my next question was how to get her to like dry dog food.

 

[naturesgift]

It's not about you. It's about the dog.

well your not talking to nutmeg your talking to Mandie.

 

[Zoom]

Try adding hot water to the dry food.

But I still feel that finding out for certain if she's that big because of pregnancy or a different medical reason takes precedence over that.

 

[naturesgift]

Try adding hot water to the dry food.

But I still feel that finding out for certain if she's that big because of pregnancy or a different medical reason takes precedence over that.

I tried that it was a no go. and a very messy clean up after she "burried" it all. Im going to try mixing in some Tuna. Is this ok?

ok she is not overly fat! She only looks pregnant when she lays or sits. when she stands she looks normal. but I will be talking to my vet about it. ty

 

[Zoom]

Tuna is ok, just not every day. The concern over mercury levels renders it unsafe to feed every day. When I fix myself tuna salad, I give the juice to the dogs as a treat, but it's not very often.

She may not be as big as the beagles that HbH posted, but she's still larger than she should be.

 

[naturesgift]

Tuna is ok, just not every day. The concern over mercury levels renders it unsafe to feed every day. When I fix myself tuna salad, I give the juice to the dogs as a treat, but it's not very often.

She may not be as big as the beagles that HbH posted, but she's still larger than she should be.

ok TY! it will be just a treat. though is there any other safe fishy smelling food I can mix in? how about salmon oil?

I have to go. I have to feed my orphan Pidgeon babies. (tube feeding) and then do some house chores. and do some pooper scooping. *the joys*
but I will be on tonight to get your answer. and with some pics of her standing. and maybe a movie

 

[showpug]

I tried that it was a no go. and a very messy clean up after she "burried" it all. Im going to try mixing in some Tuna. Is this ok?

ok she is not overly fat! She only looks pregnant when she lays or sits. when she stands she looks normal. but I will be talking to my vet about it. ty

It is a fairly normal/common part of canine pregnancy for her to only look pregnant while sitting or laying. This usually happens at about the half way point and sometimes a little later in pregnancy when puppies shift.

I still recommend you have her pregnancy diagnosed by a vet so you know for sure what you are dealing with and how many puppies are coming.

Also, salmon oil would be a very good addition to a pregnant bitches diet.

 

[bubbatd]

Get the book , move on and good luck !! Keep us posted !

 

[Cheza]

My God some of you people are RUDE.
I understand the battle that we're all fighting against overpopulation, and how intense a lot of you are on it, but hold the phone for just a second.

Have you looked in a mirror and seen what rotten people you've turned into because of this? I avoid posting on here now because I'm afraid I'll get attacked for saying any wrong thing, and I'm sure I'll get attacked for this. I see so many people who join, post for awhile and then leave due to the hostile nature of this forum. Is this pleasing to you? Is this the direction you want to take a forum that provides some of the BEST ADVICE on the internet to dog owners?

For all you say you aren't perfect, there's a little group of you on here who sure as hell act like you are. Take a good look at your internet alter-egos. If you acted like that toward people in real life I doubt it would get you all that far.
To the OP, kudos for taking the dog in, and best of luck with her.

 

[FoxyWench]

not knowing who this poster is, (ill be honest, i dont kep track of whos who...)

theres some things that spring into the MAYDAY frame of the foxy mind...

this is an OLDER dog who is likley pregnant, ok, and your vet just says "come back in january"
if you are on your way to getting your liscnes (which by the way your breaking the law by raising those pidgeons if there wild if you dont already have said lisence (i do have mine, im a vector sepeces rehabber, the same rules apply to birds, just letting you know just in case as it can cause issues, not trying to be snarky) you should know the first thing you should have done was a simple blood test for heartworm, you belive shes a mill dog, spent her life outside in a little cage, in a state were mosquitoes are present. a heartworm test should be on the DO NOW list from day one, pregnancy suspision or not...
so step one, find a new vet, one thats not "old school" because any vet these days would not have you wait a couple months before reseeing a pregnant bitch, there should have been an apointment made for an ultrasound, or an xray, at the VERY least he should have you comming in for a palipitation and listen for heartbeats. so id firly be finding a new vet who is willing to do this and has acess to the needed equiptment,
i know farm vets, i know "little town vets" and not one of them would let a high risk dog of unknown mating go that long without suggesting at the very least an ultrasound/xray...

so you need to find a vet that will, your first steps, heartworm test and an ultrasound.

your second thing should be booking a c-section, i dont know beagles but as was already stated by someone who is VERY familiar with the breed, they would personally do an elective c-section for a bitch that age, i know for chihuahuas thats true so i would for her too...while under for the c-section have her spayed, that way she doesnt have to go back under the knife.
If it turns out shes not pregnant and shes that picky an eater you need to do a full work up and check up to make sure theres nothing wrong going on in there...

as for the food, yes please special order chicken soup, or innova, or solid gold or any of the better brands, this is not a forum "your brand is crappy" because of who you are, its simply a THAT BRAND IS CRAPPY, its like mcdonalds and cardboard...would you eats it?! no?! then she wont...if shes THAT picky cook your own food for her, there are lots of resoucres for home made diets and shes more likely to eat "people food" and if she is pregnant then she needs all the GOOD nutrition she can get, pedigree is NOT that!

i also think you need to reconsider your thoughts on abortion...personally i dont LIKE abortion however im VERY prochoice...primarily for health reasons...in dogs they cant make their own desicions, YOU are in charge of that, and this could kill her, heck even trying to save her through c-section could kill her...
had you imediatly had her spayed upon finding her you wouldnt have been "aborting her" because you wouldnt have knonw she was pregnant, and this wouldnt be an issue, this of course borders on morals, but my personal opinion is your belife that abortion is wrong should not dictate the potential life or death of a rescued animal, if your doing wildife rehab and veterinary medicien youll learn this very quickly, many rehab cases require you to abort litters for the mothers health and if your a vet you cant exactly say "NO im not spaying your pet becuase its against my morals cause she might be pregnant..."

now with all that being said, take a breath, from what i can see noone made any realy low blows at you other than pointing out some major things...IE not yet having a heartworm test and having her over a month?!
you live in a house with other dogs? a full blood pannel and titering would be top of my list to make sure nothings comming into my home that could harm my other pets...

so please, take the day tomorrow, take the 1hour ride into the city and see a vet with acess to an ultrasound.
shes either pregnant or overweight, no dog should bluge like that when laying down...if shes overweight you need to get her checked because its likely to be something going on...
if shes pregnant she needs to be checked throughly NOW and a plan put in place from there.

 

[bubbatd]

I do agree with titer test and a HW test ..... as to ultra sound I never had one as a breeder . It wasn't done then . If you want her to have these pups , you just must do the best for her and them . I had to abort one of my Golden's litters and it killed me !!! I've never got over it .... but it had to be done for the sake of the breed .

 

[naturesgift]

My God some of you people are RUDE.
I understand the battle that we're all fighting against overpopulation, and how intense a lot of you are on it, but hold the phone for just a second.

Have you looked in a mirror and seen what rotten people you've turned into because of this? I avoid posting on here now because I'm afraid I'll get attacked for saying any wrong thing, and I'm sure I'll get attacked for this. I see so many people who join, post for awhile and then leave due to the hostile nature of this forum. Is this pleasing to you? Is this the direction you want to take a forum that provides some of the BEST ADVICE on the internet to dog owners?

For all you say you aren't perfect, there's a little group of you on here who sure as hell act like you are. Take a good look at your internet alter-egos. If you acted like that toward people in real life I doubt it would get you all that far.
To the OP, kudos for taking the dog in, and best of luck with her.

thanks. IS that your baby in your D/p? I love his/her eyes!

 

[naturesgift]

not knowing who this poster is, (ill be honest, i dont kep track of whos who...)

theres some things that spring into the MAYDAY frame of the foxy mind...

this is an OLDER dog who is likley pregnant, ok, and your vet just says "come back in january"
if you are on your way to getting your liscnes (which by the way your breaking the law by raising those pidgeons if there wild if you dont already have said lisence (i do have mine, im a vector sepeces rehabber, the same rules apply to birds, just letting you know just in case as it can cause issues, not trying to be snarky) you should know the first thing you should have done was a simple blood test for heartworm, you belive shes a mill dog, spent her life outside in a little cage, in a state were mosquitoes are present. a heartworm test should be on the DO NOW list from day one, pregnancy suspision or not...
so step one, find a new vet, one thats not "old school" because any vet these days would not have you wait a couple months before reseeing a pregnant bitch, there should have been an apointment made for an ultrasound, or an xray, at the VERY least he should have you comming in for a palipitation and listen for heartbeats. so id firly be finding a new vet who is willing to do this and has acess to the needed equiptment,
i know farm vets, i know "little town vets" and not one of them would let a high risk dog of unknown mating go that long without suggesting at the very least an ultrasound/xray...

so you need to find a vet that will, your first steps, heartworm test and an ultrasound.

your second thing should be booking a c-section, i dont know beagles but as was already stated by someone who is VERY familiar with the breed, they would personally do an elective c-section for a bitch that age, i know for chihuahuas thats true so i would for her too...while under for the c-section have her spayed, that way she doesnt have to go back under the knife.
If it turns out shes not pregnant and shes that picky an eater you need to do a full work up and check up to make sure theres nothing wrong going on in there...

as for the food, yes please special order chicken soup, or innova, or solid gold or any of the better brands, this is not a forum "your brand is crappy" because of who you are, its simply a THAT BRAND IS CRAPPY, its like mcdonalds and cardboard...would you eats it?! no?! then she wont...if shes THAT picky cook your own food for her, there are lots of resoucres for home made diets and shes more likely to eat "people food" and if she is pregnant then she needs all the GOOD nutrition she can get, pedigree is NOT that!

i also think you need to reconsider your thoughts on abortion...personally i dont LIKE abortion however im VERY prochoice...primarily for health reasons...in dogs they cant make their own desicions, YOU are in charge of that, and this could kill her, heck even trying to save her through c-section could kill her...
had you imediatly had her spayed upon finding her you wouldnt have been "aborting her" because you wouldnt have knonw she was pregnant, and this wouldnt be an issue, this of course borders on morals, but my personal opinion is your belife that abortion is wrong should not dictate the potential life or death of a rescued animal, if your doing wildife rehab and veterinary medicien youll learn this very quickly, many rehab cases require you to abort litters for the mothers health and if your a vet you cant exactly say "NO im not spaying your pet becuase its against my morals cause she might be pregnant..."

now with all that being said, take a breath, from what i can see noone made any realy low blows at you other than pointing out some major things...IE not yet having a heartworm test and having her over a month?!
you live in a house with other dogs? a full blood pannel and titering would be top of my list to make sure nothings comming into my home that could harm my other pets...

so please, take the day tomorrow, take the 1hour ride into the city and see a vet with acess to an ultrasound.
shes either pregnant or overweight, no dog should bluge like that when laying down...if shes overweight you need to get her checked because its likely to be something going on...
if shes pregnant she needs to be checked throughly NOW and a plan put in place from there.

Im glad you got that off your chest. now if you could read what I have said. i already stated I was going to talk to my vet and ask him for a referral in the city an hour away. This is so typical. please learn to read.

Im glad you think you know every law in every state. have you ever heard of volunteering? I guess not. Well here where I live Pigeons starlings and sparrows are not considered native wildlife thus making them birds that rehabberss generally do not rehab. I call in every animal I recieve to the consevation office.. But of coarse your welcome to jump the gun and assume whatever you want. alot of ppl on here do it so join the club.

And I dont have to rethink my thoughts on abortion. just b/c you deem it as ok doesnt mean I have to. Im sorry butu knowing she was possibly bred them spaying her would still be an abortion in my mind. I cant help if I have a conscience.

and we cant get over me feeding her Iams. my word you act as though I m feeding her store brand. I am sure there is lots of ppl on this forum that dont feed food they order online.

I am thorough here. I will let you know what happens. other than that I am through ppl not reading and regoing over subjets already discussed just so they can get there two cents in.

for those of you who care more about Nutmeg than pushing there opinions down my throat thank you. for those who feel the need to be pushy I feel sorry for you. you sound like unhappy ppl.

 

[naturesgift]

It is a fairly normal/common part of canine pregnancy for her to only look pregnant while sitting or laying. This usually happens at about the half way point and sometimes a little later in pregnancy when puppies shift.

I still recommend you have her pregnancy diagnosed by a vet so you know for sure what you are dealing with and how many puppies are coming.

Also, salmon oil would be a very good addition to a pregnant bitches diet.

TY you taught me something. i didnt know that there stomach would do this halfway through. Being as the first pregnant dog I got had pups a month after I got her. but the night I got her she looked like she was ready to go.

Then I missed watching any growth on My dog Love b/c we were in WEst virginia looking for a place to move to. and I had no clue she was pregnant. I just came home and was blown away.

The pregnant dog I got last year my nwighbors had taken her in. and she got pregnant in there care and when she began to get close they gave her to me. so this is my first ever full term being present.

I tried the Salmon oil and she actually nibbled at the kibble a bit.

 

[FoxyWench]

well thank you for PROVING you are exactly what everyone is aparently calling you over, not one ounce of my post was in any way a rant or disrespectfull in any way and anyone who would read that and jump to the conclusion you did obviously has something else going on...take it as you want it, and after checking the laws in your state, (since you already said where you live) pidgeouns are considered a PEST species, and sparrows and starlings are considered SONG BIRDS, all song birds require rehab by a LISENCED rehabber...sorry to burt your bubble...
and no you cannot VOLUNTEER for rehab, there are many laws in place and one must be linsenced...(and its not exactly hard) i was TRYING to be nice and warn you because sometimes people complain, and sometimes those complaints lead to inspection and that inspection especially in the rasingin of those considered pest species can lead to the euthanasia of the rehabbing animal and some rather hefty fines...
ive been a LISCENSED rehabber since i turned 16, i was working with another lisced rehabber from the age of 10, and when i was told we were moving to the US i did alot of reaserch into each states laws due to not knowing what laws applied in the US...
but stay put in that shiney bubble of yours ok?! im sure everythings real nice in there...

as for the iams...it is just as bad as store brand, noone however is up on you on the brand other than saying its a bad brand it would be best to switch it and you may find shes more apt to eat a BETTER food...since it has REAL meat in it (biproduct is beack feet and feathers...woudl YOU eat that?!)
and before you say "store brand is worse than iams" truth be told, despite the fancy packageing and adds, iams is actually WORSE than most store brands, they support animal labratory testing and they have NURMEOURS quality control complaints...and their plant is discusting (yes ive been!)

but since you obviously are in the mood to take everything as a threatening post...feel free have fun and i just hope and pray to the godess that poor girl is ok and doesnt suffer any complications while you wait on a referal from your vet...

oh and as a gerneral side note...
this isnt like the human medical insurance...
you dont need a referal to take the poor dog to the other vet...instead call them explain the situation and get an apointment ASAP...
SIMPLE! waiting on a referal?! what kind of bull is that? honestly?!

and in case you couldnt tell, THIS post is directly aimed at you as a general observation of your behaviours throught this post...
there are many things that simply dont add up! the fact your aparently experienced but yet you didnt even HW test the dog imediatly upon finding her? or checked to see if shed had any shots with titer testing?! that would have been MY first concern with the whole having other animals in the home thing!

but *shrugs* what do I know?! im just a nameless face on the internet, i could be a 14 yr old child or a 90 your old person just looking to bully some poor girl on a forum "just trying to help" *rolls eyes*

theres been ALOT of good advice in this thread, and those making any sacrastic comments i respect enough to know they wouldnt do so without some base...
however i didnt judge you in that intial post, everything was "heres what should be done at this point, PLEASE for your dogs health do it" but your responce just PROVED that you simply dont want to hear it, and hopefully this poor beagle doenst suffer for the wait or attitude.

 

[naturesgift]

Volunteer as in under a rehabber. sheesh.

I think your S/n fits you.and you once again misunderstood me. I am asking my vet for a decent vet in the city.

but like I said. Im done.

and I do have the right to defend myself.

oh and for your 411. My vet did give her shots. She was wormed. and he did listen to her heart.

 

[FoxyWench]

i dont know what the comment about my screename is supposed to mean, but since i highly doubt you have any idea of the REAL meaning of the word wench i dont think you meant it as a compliment...
and its amazing how the story seems to twist with each post...

...i was going to say something else...
but its not worth it...in one ear, out the other as the saying goes

and im pretty sure this post will get locked fairly soon...

 

[Paige]

I am not going to get into any arguements. I just thought I'd add my Sheltie looked like a pregnant porker due to several medical conditions that added up to a dog that didn't lose weight easy and had a hard time getting around. Get her checked out to make sure the dog is pregnant or not because if she isn't she may have medical issues that need to be taken care of.

Give her a kiss from me. She looks to be carrying a heavy burden in her eyes. May her new life be better then her old one.

 

[FrenchKissed]

And I dont have to rethink my thoughts on abortion. just b/c you deem it as ok doesnt mean I have to. Im sorry butu knowing she was possibly bred them spaying her would still be an abortion in my mind. I cant help if I have a conscience. .

Ok. So you are against abortion which, I assume you feel is needless killing.
If you bring those dogs into the world, other dogs will needlessly die in their place. So is that okay because you don't have to look at it? Do if the mother dies in whelp, her death will also be needless. Is that okay too because that's "natural".
I'm sorry but I just don't get it. Animal abortion is not even on the same wave length as human. We don't kill our elderly or our sick either but we do when it comes to our pets. We call it humane euthanasia, to end suffering.
Why is spaying this bitch to prevent suffering any different?