Pregnant Shih Poo question

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  1. ShihPooLover

    ShihPooLover New Member

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    am new here and have been reading alot of the information on here and on other websites and have a question.

    I have a 20 month old Shih Poo female who is currently 38 days post breeding and most definatly pregnant (as per our vet) she was bred Feb 14th while I was on vacation. I went away for 2 weeks, left her with my sister who has a male shih poo (6months old) I had NO idea she was even close to going into heat, and according to my sister they tied once only and for 10 min, so yes all it takes is just one time. I know my girl is healthy and has no underlying issues as we have discussed this with our vet. I have asked that my sister have her male checked for any conditions as well. I had NO INTENTION on breeding her however, aborting the pups was also not something I was willing to do.

    Now to my question, my vet is on vacation till friday and i dont like the replacement so I wanted to ask your opinions as this is a first time thing for me, My girl is panting, not all the time but quite often, she is definatly begining to show her pregnancy and I just want to know if her panting is normal? I have read alot of things about it but it only specifies in late pregnancy closer to whelping, if anyone can help me with this I would really appreciate it. Also, my vet isnt concerned but my Ella has gained 2 pounds already, she was 11.7lbs before and is 14 now..is this too much?
     
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    oakash Kat/Oak AKA The Nice One

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    I am not at all experienced in this, but there are several people on here who are, so hopefully they'll chime in.
     
  3. ShihPooLover

    ShihPooLover New Member

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    Thank you, I hope you are right. :)
     
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    The weight gain wouldn't concern me, I have bred several litters of small dogs (jrts) and expect them to gain about 1+ lb per pup by the end of gestation. Pups of small breeds typically weigh about 5-10 ounces each at birth. I would recommend that you don't free feed her unless she isn't gaining weight and you also need to ensure that she is on a top quality food. Cheap foods often don't have enough proper nutrition and predispose the mother to Eclampsia which is very dangerous and life threatening.
    Exercising her is important as well, long walks and free off leash time (in a safe place and avoid intact males) will ensure that she is in excellent condition and have an easier time whelping.

    I have never had a girl start panting until it is time to whelp. Do you live in a very hot or humid climate? Also check to make sure there is no discharge, if she has one, take her to the vet. I would also take her temp a few times, above normal temp at this stage *could* indicate an infection.
     
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    ShihPooLover New Member

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    I am most definatly not free feeding her although I am sure she would LOVE that, I live in Southern Ontario, Canada, there is nothing warm about where I live at this time of year, again the panting is not a constant just different for her. I checked her and there is no discharge, I am wondering if the panting is because she is starting to really fill out in her belly and its making it harder for her to breath with the puppies in there. I have read alot that says she will have only about 3 puppies but I dont know how factual that it.

    I feed both my dogs the same food and it comes highly recommended by my vet, the first 3 ingredients in this food are Chicken, lamb and rice, so I am not worried about her food too much. She is walked regularly and we have a large yard for her for exersize as well.

    I was wondering tho, I have a male Schnoodle who is fixed, when should I keep him away from my girl?

    I feel stupid asking these quesitons but with my vet on vacation I dont know who to ask. Thank you for your quick reply and assistance.
     
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    I am in Ontario as well, about half way between Toronto and Kingston. Yes, it very well could be that the pups are already starting to crowd everything inside her, which could mean more than 3 pups or very large pups (more is better, lower numbers usually mean larger pups which are harder to whelp.) Having said that I have had a 14 lb 13 inch tall jrt (long legs, breed standard) girl have 3 pups that were all over 10 ounces with huge skulls.

    Make sure that no males give her any interest, sometimes the girls while preggo's give off a scent that the males confuse as being in heat and they can try to breed them. I also wouldn't leave him out with her unsupervised, just incase.
     
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    Just be careful about this because many vets don't actually know much at all about dog nutrition. My vet always tries to make me buy Science Diet, which is a pretty crappy food. I really wish they did know more, it's sad that most can't really be trusted for food advicce :( If you do want some suggestions on good brands the people here are pretty knowledgeable on the subject :)
     
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    Thank you very much, I really appreciate the answers. I live between Toronto and the falls. Big storm coming, no worries of heat. haha. I agree I prefer more puppies to larger, I am terrified for her to be honest, I really concidered spaying during the pregnancy however, I couldnt bring myself to take the lives of the little unborn babies inside her as messed up as that may sound. I know how many dogs are out there without homes and hope that nobody thinks I am some crazy BYB. Once the puppies are weaned we will most likely spay.

    Seeing as you have experience how safe is the xray during late gestation for the pups?

    I plan on asking all this of my vet on friday.
     
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    I DO NOT feed my dogs any of the large company highly recommended food, I actually feed a brand that most people dont even know about. It is sold exclusivly by a pet store in my area and is fantastic. But thank you for your concern. I agree that most vets will recommend food that isnt that great.
     
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    Just curious what the brand is, i work in a Western Canadian natural pet supply franchise. We're always on the lookout for new products.
     
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    I have never had a problem x-raying my girls the week before they are due. And I have had every litter x-rayed, for a total of 7 litters and I have whelped out and raised a couple of litters for other breeders that we also x-rayed.
     
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    Panting during whelping would be normal but panting at 38 days is odd. Does she have any other symptoms like a raised temperature or trembling? What method did your vet used to determine she was pregnant?
     
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    an ultrasound was done at 30 days.....there are no other symptoms...normal temp...:confused:
     
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    Just a thought about the panting, she's a poodle/shih tzu mix right? Does she have the mushed snout like a pure bred shih tzu? Most of the folks who've replied on this thread don't have brachycephalic breeds, but maybe the panting is more common for pregnant females with mushed faces.
     
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    *sigh*

    I'm not trying to flame you, so I hope you don't take this as such - just a constructive criticism.

    The last two sentences do not belong together. As of now, you are a breeder, whether you intended to be or not. I hope you make the most of it and do the right thing, and the right thing is obviously not to let her or her puppies be bred again. You can probably contact some rescues near you for help in funding their spays/neuters, or you can charge a refundable adoption fee on the females - several hundred dollars that will be refunded all or in part once they spay the puppies. The males, TMK can have pediatric spay/neuters. But talking to your vet and possibly a small dog rescue will give you answers on that. They often sometimes do courtesy listings as well, which will help them find new homes.

    She needs to be spayed so that this doesn't happen again - a 20 month old small breed is well past the age where she could have been safely spayed, and she definitely can now. If they do a C-section for some reason, you can get her spayed then.
     
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    After posting I did realize that it does sound very irresponsible HOWEVER there is a reason she is NOT already spayed, please don't think I am trying to make any excuses, we got our dog when she was 6 months and during her first heat, we have one other dog who is a neutered male, (we also have a cat who is spayed) so it is not as if we dont believe in spaying and neutering our pets, that is def not the case here. Anyway, we didn't think we had anything to worry about with her becoming pregnant and so we have not been in a rush to spay her, she is utd on all her vaccines and our vet didn't push for the spay (she is a great vet so please don't think she told us to breed) I must sound like a broken record but really it was a complete accident, we will have her spayed as soon as the pups are weaned, my spouse and I have discussed it and we will be speaking with our vet about it on friday when we go in.

    I have potential homes for 3 puppies as it stands and they are all people we know. So I am confident the pups will be well cared for and properly vaccinated and de sexed.

    We have a low cost spay/neuter clinic where I live and I will contact them in regards to the desexing of the pups. I do know that our local SPCA will spay/neuter at 8 weeks of age but I wasnt sure how safe that was so I have not yet looked into it.

    Thank you for your help, I take no offence to your comments what so ever, I appreciate your concern for the animals and am glad you are honest.

    Thanks
     
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    her snout is a bit longer than the shih tzu If I can figure out how I will post a picture of her so you can see what I mean.

    The panting is not a normal thing for her except of course in the summer time


    I figured out how to get the picture onto here for you to see her hopefully it works.


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    Another suggestion is that you might want to put it in a contract that if the future homes at any time can not care for the puppies, they go back to you or to a home you approve. That way you'll know they won't end up in a shelter. And even if you know the future homes, put spay/neuter in a contract, too...just in case the people turn out to think their puppy is just SO PERFECT they should breed it, which happens very often, even with people who "know better".

    It does sound like you're trying to do the most responsible thing here, and I wish you the best of luck with momma and her pups.
     
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    Thank you for the ideas, I will create a contract for the potential homes. I have found this site extreemly helpful. Thank you to everyone.I will keep posting about my Ella and her progress, and her pups when the come, we have an expected whelping date of April 18th.
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    Hope everything goes well! Looking forward to pics.

    Just a comment. Please don't advertise them to homes as 'shihpoo' crosses. Please don't feed into the designer mutt fad. No reputable people sell shihpoos, or schnoodles. Sometimes rescues will use those terms to try to get more homes, but really they are crosses. There is no such 'thing' as a 'shihpoo' there might be a general type of dog that falls into that broad category.... but there is no consistency of type or temperament like there are in breeds. Its not that I think crossing dogs is bad (done correctly I am all for it) its that its marketing a dog in such a away as to be deceitful.
     

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