Please Neuter

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by Richie12345, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. Miss_Miyasa

    Miss_Miyasa Bella Boo Bear's Mommy

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    I have just a couple of things to say.

    Just becouse an animal is netured doesn't mean they don't have the pleasure, I have seen many of my male cats enjoy themselves on a pillow(as disjusting as it is, and I have always felt sorry for the poor pillow) But as for girl dogs, I am sure that is they knew, they would kinda be thankful. What woman wouln't like to get rid of that monthly vistor?

    I cant consider fixing and animal as mutliation. If my parents had my tonsils removed at a young age(as some be do) to prevent illness later on, would they be mutilating me? Sure, there is nothing wrong with them at the time, but why take the risk? It isnt like you are cutting off a leg, the dog will relise something is wrong. Fluffy isn't going to lie awake at night listening to her biological clock and seeing dancing puppies.

    Another thing is the sexist arugement, "boys don't have puppies, why should they be fixed" just like the teenage girls get the rap for having the babies. having and unfixed male, cause accidents can happen, you never know. Personality, I wouldn't want the responsiblity of knowing I could have been at fault for puppies dieing....


    But...as bad as it sounds...and as hard as it is to explain, I think something would kinda be missed in a world of only the top 1% of dogs being breed. Everyone would have a breed. I love muts, they are so unique, I mean, my adult is 5 years old, 110 pound burly long haired dalimation like ball of fuzz, sheds like a blizzard, but has spots. wonderful dog, and I have never seen another one like her. We were told my puppy is st bernard boxer, but I don't know, I just know is adorable and the she is going to be big. I love her. I guess what I am getting as, sometimes, I i like the supize of a mutt litter. When I was younger, my mother worked for a vet, and they woul get pregenant animals brought is to be euthnized all the time....She would bring them home, we would raise the litter and the give them away to friends and family(and keep one or so~.^) It was always kinda exciting, cause you just never knew what would get....
     
  2. rottiegirl

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    I actually think its cruel in a way for NOT neutering males. They can become very sexually frustrated. I have seen a frustrated dog, and it doesnt look nice. They look horrible.

    Imagine not being able to have sex your entire life!
     
  3. Dobiegurl

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    I had Chico neutered as soon as I could. I have a question though. When I grow up I do plan on breeding (a LONG time from know) but I plan on showing dogs first and be able to spend time with Dobermans. I plan on getting a male Doberman to show but I cannot neuter him to participate in conformation. So what do I do then? (not being sarcastic just curios).

    Evetually I will breed but after I spend many years in the "dog" world and around my favorite breed. I think its a very dificult position when you do not plan on breeding your show dog (at that time in your life) but you cannot nueter/spay your dog.
     
  4. BudgetsDad

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    Perharps you are right. My point is just that this is not a black and white issue. And if some people believe in not neutering and spaying, then great.
     
  5. Dobiegurl

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    Just a thought
    People on the other thread were saying if a dog was meant to have no tail then it would have been born like that. I do believe in neutering but many people may feel that you are messing with nature because they were born like that.
     
  6. soft pawz

    soft pawz lovemypup

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    i dissagree. they CAN become frustrated?.....they look horrible?........ok if you say so.....
    i personally havent seen a frustrated not neutered male or one that looked horrible.
    if you say that exsists then i believe you but that doesnt mean that every dog is gonna be sexually frustrated. so why neuter every dog and not just the ones that seem to suffer.....

    but i dont really belive in the suffering actually.
    in a dog pack only the alpha dog has the right to have sex, so are all the other dogs in the pack automatically frustrated??
    having sex is the highest privilege in the dog world, way higher then "who is the first on the foodbowl".
    with that said i think it is totally natural for a dog to be not neutered and not have sex because your dog shouldnt be the alpha.

    experts even say that you should let your dog watch YOU having sex, specially if you got trouble with your leadership so he knows who has the right to mate and who is alpha.....

    sorry, neutering doesnt make much sense to me. if a bodypart is healthy you shouldnt cut an animal open and rip it out......
    just my opinion.
     
  7. Miss_Miyasa

    Miss_Miyasa Bella Boo Bear's Mommy

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    What doesn't make since? Let's say you have and unneutured male dog...

    You are careful, you keep you dog under lock and key. But dogs can excape, get lost if you are not going to breed it, why take the risk you dog will continue the problem of strays? Or even if you dog never leave the yard, another dog might get in. You have the male, so you may never hear about the stray who had the ten puppies.

    As for the health, by the time it IS unhealthly, it is most likely alittle to late, why take the chance? Humans are differnt from dogs, they have a social need to continue their line. Once the puppies are out of the house, the mother dogs will never even think about it again, and the male might never even see them, in the first place.

    As for "mutliation", what about boys who are circusised? Babies who have their tonsils removed? Is this mutilation? Then why is it mutilation to have a dogs reproductive organs removed for health reasons. Most females would have theirs out if they didn't at one time want to have kids I bet, no cancer and no period. Men are just to wrapped up in their own $*#! to get rid of them....


    Lastly, the problem isn't usually the people who OWN unfixed dogs, they are the unfixed dogs that are strays, if they come in contact, the worst can happen. Personally I beleive all stays should be fixed and realeased in the wild. Until all stays are off the street leaveing a dog or cat unfixed is either taking on a HUGE resonsibility, or irresonsible, depending on the person.
     
  8. soft pawz

    soft pawz lovemypup

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    there is no 100% security but 99.9%. outside my male is on a leash and i would never leave my dog in the yard without supervision and in that case,
    sorry but i think i would realize if a dog would be ontop of mine or the other way round.
    another thing is that males simply dont get pregnant. now dont call me ignorant. thats simply true. its the female that ends up with the puppys therfore its the owner of the bitch that needs to supervise. if you think thats to much work then dont get a female. it might not sound fair but who ends up with the puppys?
    of course that doesnt mean that all male dogs should run at large or anything, no dogowner should let his dog run around free and without supervision.

    while you think spaying is the quick fix for the stray puppy problem i simply call it animal cruelty.
    then you might as well fix humans, after all there are more then enaugh orphans in this world......let alone the overpopulation of this world.
    with humans nobody would think about it but everybody thinks doing it to dogs is ok......



    god, you cant compare apples with pairs.........seriously

    please tell me you are kidding.........i am a female and this has nothing to do with "male-pissing-contest-thinking". do you know how many problems a complete removal means for the person??? do you know how many medication you will have to take for the rest of your life, how many complications.....

    that statement is rediculous, and i am tired of hearing it. you got a problem with your period, well guess what, some dont! and just trust me on this, you DONT wanna go through that surgery.

    besides that i am convinced that spaying every single stray is not gonna help with the "abandoned puppy ending up in shelter and getting killed issue"

    its the people who are the problem, not the dogs.
     
  9. Mordy

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    You are mixing up dog and wolf characteristics here that don't have anything to do with each other. Dogs are dogs and wolves are wolves. Especially since you brought up comparing "apples and pears", if you need a little help with the differences, check out this book:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/02...0217-5297439?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155
     
  10. soft pawz

    soft pawz lovemypup

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    the behaviour of dogs is in many aspects still very similar to the behaviour of wolves. wolf and dog characteristics DO have something to do with each other, after all they share the same anchasters and are even able to mate!!

    i think this is comparing a green apple to a red one and not comparing apples with pairs that dont have anything to do with each other like comparing a cirumcision to a major surgery........

    studying the behaviour of wolves will tell you a lot about the behaviour of our pet dogs too. of course not 100% but i never said that.

    but like with every subject, one expert says this, the other sees it totally different. everybody has to decide for themselfs what they think is more likely to be true.
    even if it doesnt seem like it, i am always open for new arguments and information but so far nothing could really convince me why it is a good thing to spay your dog........

    and i think it is true that there is still a lot of wolf and wolf like behaviour in our dogs ( and please believe me, i am not the only one saying so).
     
  11. Mordy

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    Similar, but not the same. The main difference in breeding is that the alpha bitch in a pack only comes into season once a year (as opposed to twice a year in the average dosmestic dog) and only if circumstances are good enough to actually support a litter.

    I don't have the time to get into this in much more detail right now, but if you are interested in dogs, educate yourself about them and the differences between the two species.

    A horse and a donkey are similar enough to interbreed too, but that doesn't mean you can lump them together in any other respect as well.
     
  12. soft pawz

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    just because somebody wrote a book about it doesnt necessarily mean they are right.

    the cross between a horse and a donkey isnt fertile. it cant reproduce. therefor it is not a good comparison. crosses between horses and donkeys is a very different topic.

    a cross between a wolf and a dog is fertile. wolves and dogs are very close and show similar behaviour patterns.
    a wolf is a wolf and a dog is a dog. i am not lumping them together in just any other aspect. my argumentation is based on articles that i've red, written by biologists who studdied wolf and dog behaviour.

    like i said earlier. just because its written in a book or article doesnt necessarily mean it is true but i find it to make a lot of sense to me.....

    and thanks for recommending the book. i will look into it. i always wanna read as many different point of views as possible. i am not much into reading only one book and buying everything they say (not saying that you do!). so thanks but so far i still think i am right :p
     
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    Mordy... Soft pawz... thanks for a good debate! Now we're talking!
     
  14. Zoom

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    Actually, this isn't 100% correct. It's extremly rare, but there are fertile mules out there. It's not as accurate a cross as wolf/dog, which is fertile just about 100% of the time; I just had to point that out.
     
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    IMO it it's not the same because when they reproduce often the whole litter suffers. They don't always get homes. And if they do, they may not be good ones. what happens if they don't get the health care they need?
    Then they may suffer heartworm, parvo- etc.



    Now I don't think most of us amputate for fun. But when a dog has to have a limb amputated he/she learns to adjust right away. Unlike us humans. There is no anger, no resentment. So when they get fixed to them it is no big deal. Also dogs have the intelligence of a 3 yr old. Do you really think they would be mad if they can't have sex anymore? Most don't understand they have been "cut off" from that ability. Some even continue to try and breed.

    Think about all of the suffering that you are preventing! There are way too many unwanted litters in the world as it is. There is NO way of denying that...

    My two pups just got spayed and neutered. I was squeemish too. I felt awful. Especially about the pain I put them through. But the truth of it is I know I did the right thing, and I don't want to see my dogs die of cancer or get an std(Yes dogs can get them too) or contribute to the ever burgeoning dog population.

    Plus, I want them with me as long as possible. You may feel it is a catch 22 and that's ok. Everyone is entitiled to their own opinion. But this is just mine. Thanks for listening.
     
  16. JennSLK

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    Ok here's my two cents.

    When I first got Emma I wanted to breed her. I didnt know any better. So she when through her first heat and I was going to breed her her next heat. Well I learned something and had a real eye opener and changed my mind. Emma then got ear infections and alergies wich drained the finances. So I put it off and she whent into heat again. I was going to spay her after but we were training so I thought I would put it off untill a brake in the courses. Well now Emma is going through a false pregnancy. She is very uncomforetable because she is lactating. I have to watch her 24/7 to make sure she doesn get Mastitis. Wich can be LIFE THRETENING!!. She will be spayed as soon as this is over.

    This is all because I didnt spay her. Not to mention she could now develope cancer because of the hormones.

    Name with males. They can get cancer from their hormones as well.

    If your dog gets out and goes into someone elses yard and gets a female preg. YOU are liable for all expeses incured do to said pregnancy. From checkups to Emger surgery if needed. Not to metion a law suit if the dog happens to be a show dog and you ruined it's career
     
  17. Trip

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    Mine are neutered, all the cats and dogs of which I have 6 in total... I appreciate the sentiment. I volunteer at the local SPCA and see soooo many dogs that will prob never be adopted because we keep putting more out there.
     
  18. Lawdog

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    I just thought I would put my 2 cents in. First let me say that I will be getting Nahnuk neutered asap. For health reasons only. I don't beleive for a second that any of us here getting our dogs neutered or spayed is going to stop the pet population problem because most of us here are responsible owners and if there was an accident we would be sure the puppies were taken care of and went to good homes. Simpley put we are not the problem. The problem is people like the ones who live down the block from me. At least four times a week I will find their female pitbull wandering around the block and I will take her back to her house, put her back inside the fence and make sure she has water. I have lived here almost four years and she has had 5 litters. None of them planned. These people and ones like them are the problem. And no matter how much you try to explain to them why they should have their dog spayed or neuterd they don't care. If they were going to listen there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Because as we all know Bob Barker has been telling us to have our pets spayed or neutered since I was a kid. And everyone has seen The Price Is Right. The problem is that most people just don't care.

    As for any responsible owner who chooses not to get their pet spayed or neutered. I believe that is a decission every owner has to make for themselves. I choose to do it because Nahnuk can't decide for himself. And I am sure that if he could he would choose not to get cancer.

    This is just my opinion and isn't ment to hurt anyones feelings or make anyone mad. I think we all need to try a little harder to understand that our opinions a just that. They may be based on hard facts and statistics, but nothing is black and white.
     
  19. Purdue#1

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    got a little question

    I read in "please neuter" at the top of the forum that getting a dog neutered will not stop a male's barking. Is it true?

    i was going to compete with my dog, and if he could prove himself and was clear of all the tests(eyes, hips, etc.), then i might breed him.

    I don't think he will make it to a year old without being neutered. My parents and i all said that if he starts mounting people he will get his boys taken away :D, but you know we can always threaten him(" remember what happened to the cats that day they stayed at the vet's for a night and they walked bowlegged for a week.") HeHe.
     
  20. Purdue#1

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    oops, never mind.
     

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