Please Help Me: for those feeding raw.

Discussion in 'Dog Food and Recipes' started by Julie, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. midnightbirdgirl

    midnightbirdgirl New Member

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    You have do what works for you!! I would never suggest doing something someone was not completely comfortable with.
    Back in my college days, I could not have afforded to waste the meat either.
    MBG
     
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    Can you give me links that support 20% organ meats? I've never heard that and would be interested in reading up on it. Most sites I've seen say 5% or so.

    What else do you feed for prey model? Are you giving whole animals with fur/feathers etc?
     
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    The info I have on the offals, is from some literature my vet gave me and a couple of yahoo groups I belong to.
    Sorry, but I don't know if I can post links to other groups here, If I am allowed I will. The literature says 10-20% and includes all offals not just kidney and liver, but intestines, brains lungs, spleen, tripe...you get the picture...It is just so the animal gets the amount that would be in the prey. Yes, we do sometimes do whole animal, but right now we do not live in an area where we can hunt freely, so whole animals are more difficult to come by. You do not have to actually have whole creatures to do PREY-MODEL you just have to give the amount of meat and bone in it's natural state (not ground) that would be found in nature. That does not mean that it has to be intact.
    I hope that clears things up.
    I feel when we feed our pets, we need to do what we feel best, and do as much research as possible to find our own comfort level. I know many who are happy with BARF diets.
    But, from my personal research, it is not something I am comfortable with.
    MBG
     
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    Do you have sources for all kinds of offal? Lungs, intestines, brains, all that? I'm only asking because if someone doesn't have access to that and sees 20% organ meat, that they are going to feed large amounts of very rich foods like liver or kidneys.

    I don't do the BARF idea either, I don't feed any veggies, just a wide variety of food sources.
     
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    Yes, there is a Mexican market near us, they butcher their own meat, and we can get our offals pretty reasonable there.

    I would not give 20% kidney and liver, that would be too rich. Sorry, I was not clearer.
    If I can't get the good stuff,:p I substitute with some chicken gizzards and hearts, but use a bit less, maybe a bit under 15%....

    MBG
     
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    I am going to sticky this. There are a lot of great posts on here and it just goes to show how much the opinions on raw diets varies! There is no one right way to do it. Every dog is different and every owner is different. And every market is different.... :p

    Personally, I fed raw for about a year and am thinking about going back to it now with all the problems. I've been adding more and more raw to their diets. In my opinion it isn't always necessary (and definitely not balanced) to feed only chicken backs for a week. Mine have strong stomachs and took to raw food very quickly. Never had any stool problems.

    Anyway, my diet looked like this:

    Poultry (usually chicken) necks and backs plus ground meat (beef or pork). I'd buy other soft bird bones or ribs if they were on sale as well. Sometimes I'd get heart as the muscle meat.

    They didn't get a whole lot of veggies. Usually just whatever was left over from my meals or I'd back them yams or something else yummy.

    They got raw eggs several times a week and once or twice a week either liver or kidney (mikey hates offal!) I also think that 20 per cent is high but if it works for your dogs that's all that matters! And I'd save the egg shells for a 'healthy powder' recipe mordy shared with me. That I dont' have on hand but it consisted of ester c powder, calcium, kelp and a couple other things I can't think of.

    They also got knuckle bones to gnaw on regularly.
     
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    Thanks Saje. :)
     
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    Wow, backs here have not a similar amount of muscle meat to necks and quite a it more fat. I guess people need to go by how their butcher makes the cuts. My raw food source doesn't do quarters unfortunately.

    Yes there sure is a fair amount of difference in how people feed raw and everyone has to see what works for their dog and also decide how much risk they want to take. There are riskier and less risky ways to feed raw both in terms of bone and in terms of bacteria. Dogs certainly can get sick from bacterial overgrowth and if you have a dog who is a bit of a piggish gulper like one of mine, you have to be mindful of that when feeding bones. I tend to be somewhat cautious and I prefer to keep the bacterial load as low as possible.

    As for premade raw, there is such a huge variety of what's out there so it always makes me wonder when people say they are anti premade raw. My local raw feeding supplier has premades that plain old chicken or turkey with the bine ground in or plain old 2 pound packages of backs or necks. I'm not sure what's not to like about that. It's extrememly well priced-- much bettter than if I was just buying for my two dogs. The only difference is I don't grind it myself and so it saves me buying a grinder, weighing and re-packaging the food. The nicest thing is they flash freeze which means less chance of bacterial growth and I can keep it in my fridge thawed longer than if I buy supermarket meat.

    I finally have a vet who supports raw feeding and feeds raw herself- Obviously she grinds her bones because she suggested that I should hold onto the RMBs as my dogs ate them :lol-sign: (for safety) I almost burst out laughing-- oh ya sure I'll hold onto a 4" chicken neck while my 50 lb dog eats it-- it's gone in two chomps!
     
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    Sam, I personally don't do pre-made, because it usually has extra ingredients, like fruits and veggies and is ground, we prefer to feed meat in its more natural state. Besides all that, it is expensive, I would rather spend the money on some nice lamb, veal or venison than a ground up version of the same, with added ingredients.
    But again, it is a preference, you have to do what works for you and your dogs.
    I am not against pre-made, it just is not for us.

    MBG
     
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    There is so much to learn about raw feeding but once you do it for a while it becomes a lot easier. When we witnessed firsthand the huge benefits of good healthy nutrition, there was no turning back. Raw was the best thing I did for the dogs. I feed them a pattie for lunch and a meat/bone dinner. There lunch patties have organ meat, muscle meat, raw vegetables and chickpea. (a great plant protein)
    I also give them salmon oil, alfalfa, glucousime / chondroitin, apple sider vinegar, and occasionally vitamin e.

    They love yogurt & pumpkin as a snack

    But there all time favorite is our homemade Dog Goody grain free treats!!
     
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    I haven't read through all these posts, but if you are interested in feeding raw, go to preymodelraw.com. Great site for getting started and learning about it in general, as well as all the myths surrounding it.
     
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    Hello Julie,
    The posters on this thread are pretty-well bang on.
    You don't have to get fancy.

    My Siberian Husky's diet: 3/4 lb. raw chicken, turkey or beef; 1/4 lb. organ meats (mix of chicken hearts, chicken liver, beef kidneys, beef liver); one raw meaty rib bone; 2 raw eggs, 2 krill oil capsules & a multivitamin. All bought at the grocery store for about $2/day...
     
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    20% organ meats is OK

    80%-85% muscle meat, 5% liver, 10%-15% organ meats is a great balance.
    Roger Biduk
     
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    80%-85% muscle meats, 5% liver, 10%-15% organ meats.
     
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    Balanced raw meat diet

    Excellent diet Saje...

    I feed 80% – 85% muscle meat - chicken, turkey, lamb or beef; 5% organic chicken or beef liver; 10% – 15% organ or offal meat - chicken hearts, green tripe, chicken gizzards, beef kidneys, brains; one raw egg with finely chopped shell; one meaty beef rib bone twice a week; a krill oil capsule; half a multivitamin and some organic beef/chicken fat and drippings - adds extra flavor, is high in linoleic acid and an excellent source of Omega 6 fatty acids; Everything bought at the grocery store for less than $2/day.
    Roger Biduk
     
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    B.a.r.f.

    If you are feeding the b.a.r.f. diet the bone ratio is fine. I fed several dogs for years on this diet and had a vibrant healthy animals. What ever diet you choose I would do some research. There are many books out there for instance "Give Your Dog A Bone" By Ian Billinghurst, then there is "Natural Nutrition for Dogs And Cats- The Ultimate Diet" by Kymythy R. Schultze, and "Raw Meaty Bones" by Tom Lonsdale, then finally their is "Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog" by Wendy Volhard and Kerry Brown, DVM. All of these books have in detail some form of a raw diet. Their is soooooo much controversy on the subject that I prefer to think that the best diet is what your dog thrives on. So needless to say all of these books have different methods of feeding your dog but all of them also have records of dogs thriving on these diets. #1 I would decide if you are going to feed grains and vegetables to your dog. #2 Next thing I would decide if you are going to feed more bone than meat or the other way around. As you can see their are so many variables in these diets. For instance I believe in feeding raw diet, and my dog does not do well on grains so I do not feed him grains, but I am limited on freezer space so I cannot feed my dog a raw diet at this time in my life.
    There is so much confusing information out their I think the best policy is to pick a diet and stick with it. I hope this helps!!!

    Renee
    backtonaturefirst.org
     

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