Pitts have more psi than other dogs????

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  1. Roxy's CD

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    Found this while roaming around...

    It's a lawyers office that claims that pit bulls have 2600psi.

    This is where the article came from

    http://www.charlesboyk-law.com/practice_areas/dog-bites.cfm

    I e-mailed and asked them where they got their info. From what I've researched they tested Sch dogs, "who were trained to bite", many breeds including pitts, and none of them could exceed 350 psi.

    Also, all of the sites I've visited states, that the pittbulls jaws work just like any other dogs. There is no such thing as "lock jaw", it's a common myth.

    Has anyone heard any different?
     
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    I don't think that a difinitive measurement has ever really been attained. I started searching and came across this, you've probably already read it though. Most places claiming actual measurements are probably unreliable.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
     
  3. rottiegirl

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    2,000 PSI is what a shark would have, so its ridiculous to claim that pits have that much power.

    I have heard that large dogs have around 350 PSI also.
     
  4. Roxy's CD

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    That's an interesting comparison. I hope they return my e-mail.

    Of anyone to be spreading false information you'd think a lawyers office would know better... ah.. maybe not. LOL
     
  5. LabBreeder

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    I've heard that the "locking jaw" myth is busted. Pits have regular jaws like every other dog.
    The psi is a little iffy either way. I don't think 2600 is right at all but the 350 could very well be correct for Sch dogs (GSD, Pits, etc) but if you can't compare ALL breeds then you can't really accurately state that Pits have the highest bite power psi. JMO, could be wrong.:D
     
  6. rottiegirl

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    I read a study before that tested a pit, rottie, and GSD for PSI. Rottie had the strongest, and the GSD came in second, pit was last. There is no way to test for the correct PSI in any dog.
     
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    Do American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers have locking jaws?

    Hopefully, this myth has been relegated to an urban legend where it belongs. No canine has a locking jaw - it is a physical impossibility for dogs.

    Do American Pit Bull Terriers have incredible bite pressure, greater than any other breed of dog?

    No! No! No! There is no accurate test to measure the PSI (pressure per square inch) of a Pit Bull or any other breed of dog. It has been shown that other breeds of dogs actually may (as there still is no conclusive test) have a harder bite. So, then why is it sometimes difficult to get a Pit Bull off of another creature? Well, the short answer - that is what they were bred for. The breed was bred to hold on, at all costs. Imagine if a bull-baiting dog suddenly let go of the bull’s nose (which immobilizes the bull) that would leave the bull free to kill the dog and kill the dog the bull would.

    American Pit Bull Terriers do have muscular neck and shoulder muscles but so do American Bulldogs, Boxers, Jack Russell Terriers, Dogo’s and a variety of other breeds of dogs. It is not the neck muscles that determine the strength of a dogs bite - 75% of that bite is coming from the rear legs, and by immobilizing the rear portion of the dog’s body, a person can take away 75% of that bite from the dog! Certainly a bite from a Pit Bull is more devastating than, say a teacup poodle, but no more devastating than a well placed bite from a Beagle that hits a key nerve in the face of a child, rendering that child’s face paralyzed.

    The take home point is this - ANY dog can inflict serious damage to a human being, especially a child and it is the responsibility of ALL dog owners to socialize and prepare their dogs for the “real” world.

    This is all i found.
     
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    Rotties have the stringest bite in all of dogdom. No breed has a locking jaw.
     
  9. LabBreeder

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    There is no conclusive proff that any specific breed has the "strongest" bite.
    It can not be accurately tested and proven.
     
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    Agreed. How do they know if a dog is biting its hardest :rolleyes: ?

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  11. LabBreeder

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    I don't know. Guess that's why it's inconclusive, lol :).
     
  12. Roxy's CD

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    Very good point Tucker... Maybe get a really annoying person to poke their eyes and pull their tail??? :D HAHA
     
  13. LabBreeder

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    Ya know, lol...that still wouldn't work with alot of dogs. :)
     
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    2600 psi is a ridiculous number.


    Thats gotta be waaaaaayyyy off
     
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    Its also been proven that golden retrievers have a stronger bite than a pit bull..lol that should tell you alot about the BS those lawyers posted.

    And yes, it has been scientifically proven that no dog has a "lock jaw"..its biologically impossible...they're dogs..not super robots...
     
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    Not sure where you heard that (goldens bite pressure) but I highly doubt it. Just by looking at the structure difference between the two would make it pretty unlikely that I golden would "out psi" a pit. While it's outrageous to me that the locking jaw myth is still being debated, I think it's pretty clear that structurally they are capable of a stronger bite pressure than many/most breeds. I've yet to see a golden capable of holding and swinging from a rope by its teeth the way a pit can. Stronger bite pressure means nothing when a dog has a lovely temperment, as so many pits do..:)
     
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    I saw a show about this on one of the animal/science channels. They measured everything from domestic dogs (Rottie, GSD and Pit), these dobie sized wild dogs in Africa, lions, sharks, alligators and turtles. They had some kind of meter that they placed inside bait. For the domestic dogs they used Sch dogs and put the meter in a bite sleeve. They got the dogs all excited like they'd be for doing bite work and let them go.

    Of the dogs, the rottie had the hardest bite, followed by the GSD and then the pit. The wild dogs were in there somewhere but not a lot different than the domestic dogs. It wasn't anywhere near 2600lbs, more like in the 300 range if I remember correctly, so the 350 number that has been posted is probably about right.

    I can't remember if it was the snapping turtle or the alligator that had the hardest bite. It was up there in the thousands of lbs range. Even the shark didn't bite as hard.
     
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    I saw that same show on Animal Planet (I think), the PSI on dog bites (according to the scientists involved) is most related to the size of the dog not the breed. In the test they used a Rott, GSD and a Pit. They looked at the anatomy of several dogs (skulls and muscles) and found that Pit Bulls had nothing to give them a stronger bite. The Rott was 20lbs+ bigger than the GSD and the GSD was 20lbs+ bigger than the Pit. They said that breed has very little to do with bite power, they ended the segment saying that a 100lb Pit Bull would have about the same jaw strength as any 100lb dog.

    By the way the strongest jaws in the animal kingdom according to that show was the Nile Croc at almost 3000psi. I was suprised that they were more than a Great White shark.

    When a Pit Bull is hanging from that rope it is not superior strength but rather lighter body weight (most pits that do that are 50ish lbs while most Goldens are much larger) and more intensity.

    With Pit Bulls its all about intensity, Sal is much stronger (Larger and younger Male) than Athena but because of intensity Athena (4years older) can crack beef bones that Sal never could. The reason is because once Athena get something in her head she does not give up but Sal gets bored fairly quickly.

    If you found a Golden who wanted to hold on to the rope as bad as the pit bull who do it....they could too. I have seen several other dog breeds able to do the same thing (GSDs, Aussie Shepards, JRTs, Bulldogs are what I have personally seen)
     
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    I'm aware of the role that "terrier" plays in their rope skills but when you look at the musculature it would seem to make sense (degree in kinesiology:D )....but I'm wrong.:eek: In talking with my Vet. while playing with one of the clinic dogs (a pit named Porche) he said that the extensive muscle is designed more to withstand trauma, not to increase bite strength.

    I've heard that the hyenas have one of the strongest bites in the animal kingdom...who knows..shrug:)
     
  20. rottiegirl

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    I have also heard that hyenas have extremely strong jaws. Stronger than a sharks bite.
     

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