Pitbulls and American Bulldogs, look at these pics, are they right?

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I was learking though a bulldog forum and they were talking and sharing pics of the top working APBTs no these dogs just look huge to me, way bigger then any ive ever seen in person, i can post links to breeders sites of them but not sure if thats allowed but heres some pics. tell me are these right at all or there something wrong with these dogs?







those are the pitbulls, aren't them a big big? i mean a bit too big?

now here are the american bulldogs, now i read on there, there is actually 2 different breeds within the american bulldogs, i guess a standard and a bully.










is this right?
 

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i dont know the answer.
but i will be glad when someone knows and replies! i was just sorta talking about this sort of thing
same dog breed, waaaaay diff looks
 

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There are quite a few knowledgeable APBT people here, but until they arrive . . . There are certain "Pit Bull" lines that resemble the first dog you posted. I believe at least one of them has confessed to mixing in Mastiff-type dogs in order to get the bigger, wider look.

Not sure about the American Bulldogs, but I definitely like the "standard" look better.
 

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no honey they are not pure APBTS or AmStaffs. They look like they are mix with a mastiff or something, but hey thats my opinion and im sticking to it :). But I think they fall under that new breed.. Bully Breed :)

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The american bulldog comes in two different types. The Scott and Painter types which is a performance bred dog, and the Johnson type dogs that are a larger heavier type dog.
Although many people will say the american bulldog is an ancient breed and has been around for hundreds of years there are some who remember when the above named breeders began their selection of dogs to start their breeding programs. For a while they did not reproduce themselves, they all returned to the size, shape, and looks of the pit bull when bred together. It took several more years before the breed could reproduce themselves. Now they are very well established.
The photos of the apbt are the modern version some people are breeding toward today. They do not fit the standard for either the apbt or the ast. While the size and shape of the apbt can be changed with selective breeding it is widely accepted there was crossbreeding in the examples shown.
Had to go back and change a name.
 
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well it wasn't scott or painter, im pretty sure it was scott or johnson but one of them left so it went into just one breed, but now people are talking about 2 standands in the one breed
 

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Here's some pics if your a more visual learner (like me lol)

I like the color of the second pic of the apbt...
but it looks staffy to me lol

this pic was on the ukc "standard" site


with american bulldogs
Though starting with much of the same stock, one can easily see how the lines would quickly diverge into the courageous and agile "Scott" or "Standard" type dogs and impressive, often more man-aggressive "Johnson" or "Bully" type dogs.


Gr. Ch. Boyd's Air Jordan
scott


Boyd's Smashing Pumpkin, OFA Good
Johnson
 

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The dont 'personally' very pittie to me. I could see some mastiff mixed in there somewhere.

I imagine the pittie to be quite a bit leaner, not so... Wide.

Besides, they are supposed to be athletic. I bet that one couldn't run the length of my garage withought wheezing.

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meh. the first pit bull is the typical short and wide. blech. an atrocity to call that a pit bull, imo. not at all in the spirit of the breed. the second one is better- has some leg to it and a more reasonable chest- but still overdone. i love the tri-color though, though i prefer not dilute.

i don't know much about american bulldogs.
 

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Its very short and very wide...the head is massive...they're probably breeding for those looks, and not for health or standards..which is irresponsible to me.
I'll tell you one thing...it doesn't fit the standards, that's for sure!

The fourth one, the white, definately DOES NOT look like a pit bull.
 
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Quite frankly those 2 Pits look more like a Staffordshire Bull Terriers, though their ears are never cropped....... they're short and stocky and their bodies do look a bit like this.

Sorry, don't know anything about American Bulldogs, as FCI doesn't recognize them.....
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

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Plus, the blue pitbulls are bred to be huge, some over 80 ibs, and are joked about on the forum. They are not to be thought to be true to t he standard of the APBT.
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.
Those dogs are DISGUSTING!! They look like humans on steroids! BLECH!
 

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If there is a market for a certain type of dog there will be those who will breed and sell them. If there isn't a market for them soon there will not be such dogs. Think about many of the other dogs we have to choose from. Many cannot be allowed outside because they cannot survive there. Some are not able to breed or deliver pups naturally. Some have developed back problems from breeding for a longer dog, some have breathing problems because of breeding for a certain type nose, some have developed eye problems from breeding for a certain type coat.
There is still a market for these dogs. Check the medical problems we have nowdays with our dogs. Breeding for a fad is more profitable than breeding for healthy dogs. Allways have been and always will be.
 

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Plus, the blue pitbulls are bred to be huge, some over 80 ibs, and are joked about on the forum. They are not to be thought to be true to t he standard of the APBT.
not all of them. blue is a naturally occurring color in the breed, though a recessive. there are blue dogs out there who are very much in standard.

hartagold's doodle comes to mind. she's dual-registered, dual-ch as an APBT and an amstaff. (rip lora. sigh.)

but yeah, part of the blue dog fad is oversized, overdone dogs. which is so unfortunate.
 

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There is something that some people may not know. There are several dogs that are registered as amstaffs under one name. They are also registered as an apbt under another name. Same dog just different names with different registeries. The people who know the dog as an amstaff will argue the dog is not a pit. The people who know the dog as an apbt will argue the dog is not a amstaff. Neither side will do the necessary pedigree checking to find the dog is both.
Ferguson's Centipede is just an example of such a dog. There were more than just one.
There were blue pit bulls imported from england. They are not something that has just happened in the last few years. The fad is something that has happened in the last few years. To label all blue pit bulls as crossbreds is the same as saying all brindle dogs are crossbred.
 

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when i saw those first two the first thing that came to mind was a cropped staffy boy! (uk staffordshire bull terrier, not the amstaff)
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.
Oh, those are horrible! Those poor dogs! :(
 

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