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Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by JacksonsMom, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. JessLough

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    Not from you, but from the beginning of the thread, I've gotten the "I don't deem your disability worthy of a SD, so you are not allowed to have a SD" vibe.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    I think that's the nail on the head right there. I personally, would not mind if there was some sort of required PAT for SD handlers, as well as classes on how to keep the Joe Q Public quite about having a dog in a place of business. I feel like so many people misbehave unknowingly in public because they haven't been told that it's not cool to act like that.

    Even people without SDs that applies to, btw, lol

    My rub is that people doing things like that make is harder on people who act the appropriate way. And who knows, maybe his actions have never harmed another team who WAS acting appropriately because he IS a celebrity and IS therefore treated and expected to act differently. I don't know. It just doesn't sit right with me.

    I'm not one to scream FAKER at someone who's acting inappropriately in public, nor am I going to berate them behind closed doors because that's not me. Everyone has an off day, everyones SD does something they're not supposed to do at some point. They're dogs, and that's the fallacy of using a dog to help you function.

    Nowhere did I say he was undeserving of the SD, or that people who have legitimate SDs are undeserving if they don't act the correct way. Just that it reflects badly on SD owners as a whole, and the reason that in the future your only option may BE to pay 15,000 dollars for a dog from a program, and then I'd be screwed, because while I have the skill to train a dog to SD status, I do not have the means to buy a dog for that much money.
     
  3. AdrianneIsabel

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    I'll be honest, I am not convinced the "you make my dog look bad so you shouldn't have one" mentality holds water.

    I should add that life would be easier for everyone if everyone like you in any way was as moral, ethical, and impervious to mistakes. That said that will never happen. There are so many better ways to go about things than the habits I have seen shared here an in many other SD threads.

    I really would like to see more education and understanding that SD handlers are people, people are strange and diverse, people make mistakes, dogs make mistakes, harping on singular mistakes or taboos won't get us anywhere.

    Take it for what it's worth but I think the beauty of SDs is their diversity of handlers and yet their unity in assistance. Sure some suck, sure some aren't exactly like you want, but in the end they're doing their best for the most part. You can do your best by gently educating and making a good impression yourself.
     
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    Not even that they shouldn't have one. Just that they shouldn't be allowed to be considered as the standard, or in any way typical. We say the same thing about Millan and the way he portrays pit bull dogs as if they are meant to be shut down, introverted walking ottomans and how it does the breed no favours. I don't think he shouldn't be allowed to have dogs, even though he does far worse, but I hate that because these men get their own shows, on networks that used to be considered highly educational, they get to be considered the norm and what everyone should aspire to be. Like it or not, that's what being famous allows you to become. And it's not right. Or fair. Or in some cases safe.
     
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    This.

    Yes, we all make mistakes, but he consistently has bad etiquette. You can see that on the show, on his FB and on his instagram. And YES that does threaten our rights.


    I only mentioned the plane and train because, in combination with the other things, it looks bad. Obviously if you have special permission from the airline/train service, it's no big deal, but, generally, SDs do not sit in the seat of a plane, train or bus, but on the floor.
     
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    This, too.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    I'm confused, are you directing this at me or...? Because that's basically what I said.
     
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    Well, watch where you are walking lol.

    I still don't understand the whole dog & food thing, dogs aren't dirty animals! When my medium/large dogs were small I took them into all kinds of places, window shopping with your pooch is fun!
     
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    Not exactly as you have clarified you're not in that same boat as my initial post. I'm responding to anyone quick to judge others, demean, and call them liars or fakers. It's exhausting and frankly I find it in bad taste, you (general you) don't want the public thinking your SD eats from the table and I don't want the general population thinking I'm an unreachable, unsympathetic, staunch elitist.

    I only directed my first paragraph to you because I'm honestly not convinced the average joe is ruining SDs. I have had an SD in my life since I was 13. I have also worked with SDs and their handlers over the past two years and the variety of owner trained dogs is astonishing. They are no less deserving and yet, yes, many are less educated. The fact is I genuinely believe there aren't as many fackers harming the issue as there are those who think they know but are unaware. Honestly look at the SD handlers who've somehow granted themselves the me mentality that their dogs can go anywhere. No, that is not true, these are still dogs and not able to be sterilized with gear, can be dangerous in environments, and not only is it legal to ban them in some places it is reasonable.

    Maybe a certification is ideal, maybe clarity in the laws and better education is, either way I truly do not blame the competition dog handler who slaps a vest on their dog to fly in the cabin. Ninety-nine percent of the time that legitimate faker is more nervous about staying under the radar that they do more things right than the average legitimate use SD handler.
     
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    Appropriate to pick up your SD? Nope.
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    Is she a bad handler? Naw, mostly she's a girl with epilepsy who adopted a pit bull for support and found the dog started naturally alerting. She then was threatened with losing her job unless she got a correct breed for SD work at the casinos where she worked. The dog was task trained to alert, bring meds, and could dial a special phone. The dog needed help allowing EMTs near the owner when passed out, we had a team of volunteers who brought their vehicle and gear once a week for a few weeks working with her. She got there.

    This guy was off the wall. He has severe PTSD and refused (legally) to put a vest on this dog. She's wearing a service leash but no vest, he would claim, and then stress would engulf him and rage would enter. We worked with him on please use a vest, it will make your life easier, and here are better ways to handle the confrontation. The dog was task trained for many things dealing with touching, rerouting, blocking, and so forth, honestly he was just helping the guy hang on. I still love this photo.
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    These personal stories of legitimate SDs who just need some help are what I think are causing issues and honestly you cannot reach these people with insults, you reach them with understanding, compassion, the we're on the same team mentality, and education.

    Some people suck but most are just undereducated.
     
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    Why wouldn't it be appropriate to pick up a service dog? Some SDs are quite small, and can do their job while being held. Though I admit, that one isn't so small.

    Nice photos! I like the 2nd one particularly. Too bad the guy was so determined not to use a vest. While it's entirely the disabled person's right to use only the equipment of their choice, of course, I do sometimes wish that people would just make things easier on themselves.
     
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    Eh, it honestly looks as unprofessional as having the dog on the seat in a plane.

    Thank you, this was one of the classes I assisted with and got to know the students of at my facility in Vegas. I really loved it. We definitely got a few wanna be fakers, to which we required dr notes and they never returned, but mostly we got good people who just needed help.

    I love this as well, this was one of the same set from a public access field trip we took with the group.
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    There might be a few situations when it is appropriate to pick your service dog up. Saxon is small enough that I can carry him if needed. I have picked him up in extremely crowded situations, to protect him from broken glass on the sidewalk and once to get him away from my mom's dog, who was going after him. It's ok to pick up in emergencies, I don't think, however, think that it is appropriate to constantly carry a service dog or keep a service dog in a purse.
     
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    Awesome photo!
     
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    In places that don't allow pets no one should have too.
     
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    You shouldn't have to worry in a place that allows pets either but accidents happen and people suck, the solution to the problem seems more about personal responsibility than banning. Litter of any type is nasty though, I totally agree.
     
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    We get customers in the shop sometimes whose animals poop or pee and they don't tell us. Either an other customer finds it or one of us finds it while stocking shelves. I don't understand why some people don't want to tell us. We won't make you clean it up or anything! We just want to know so we can clean it up ASAP!
     
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    I make my customers clean it up lol.
     
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    I think they should. Many offer, but it's in our job description that we have to clean up customerdogs' messes.
     
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    Are psych dogs considered service dogs? I have been told to possibly consider a pet I can take out with me for my anxiety and agoraphobia. I really doubt I would qualify for a specially trained dog, but I wasn't aware until now that they can be trained by the handler and not just a special facility (am I understanding that correctly or no?). Honestly I even considered a ferret as a psych pet. I know how stupid that must sound but I've seen much stranger service animals; mini horses, pigs, parrots, monkeys. I dunno maybe it wouldn't even help at all.
     

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