Pictures of people who mock me

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  1. ~Jessie~

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    In this photo, I see a sad woman sitting on a swing alone. I think that's reason enough for the little boy to be looking at her. It's not common to see adults sitting on swings, first off, which would easily make children stare.

    Anyway, I think the project is very interesting. However, I think there are a ton of flaws. If someone had a camera set up at them in a crowd, I'd look that way. Heck, even when people are surveying the roads, I look their way. I think it's just human nature to look where a camera or other equipment is pointing.
     
  2. SevenSins

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    It's human nature to look at other people, period. This woman has photos where she's bent down tying a shoe and some kid is glancing down at her as he's walking past. Everyone does that, it's human nature.

    There's another photo where she's eating icecream, and some guy seems to be looking at her. I do that too! And it's not because I secretly think the person eating the icecream is a fat disgusting slob, it's normally because I'm curious about what flavor the icecream is, and I'm trying to catch a glimpse of what the bowl says so that I can find the shop and get myself an icecream too!

    *sigh*
     
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    Count me among those who think she's reading a LOT into a number of those "looks". In almost every photo I see a sad woman with a camera being pointed at her - I'd look!

    In a number, she's also stopped in the middle of the flow of traffic on a side walk - I might look snotty in a photo taken at that moment, but not because of how she looks, but because she's stopping the flow of people and that sort of thing drives me nuts! If you want to take a photo, read a map, or tie your shoe, move to the side!! LOL

    None of her photos show joy and I hope that's just for art's sake, not because she's unhappy in general.
     
  4. release the hounds

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    It's true to a point, but our genetics have not changed that much in 50 years, neither have our thyroids. One only has to go back 20 years and look at family photos to see that this nation has changed drastically.

    Eating a normal "western" diet will make most people heavier than they should be. That's my point, we eat calorie rich food that is nutritionally void and we eat a lot of it for decades. It messes with hormones, it messes with organs and glands, it messes with our body composition.

    Our views on nutrition absolutely need to change. And for some people, yes, no matter how they eat, they are probably going to be heavier than most other people. Those people exist.

    BUT we're living in a country where over 60% are overweight or obese. It is a general rule in this country and nobody has to look to far to see it. Even if one is eating a normal "western diet" if they are that overweight, i'd become a rich man betting they were very overweight because of decreased activity or eating too much. We went from having 10% or less of overweight or obese population to over SIXTY % in 30 years.

    it's not an thyroid or gene issue.
     
  5. ~Jessie~

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    Exactly. If a little girl is wearing a cute dress, I'll look her way. If there's a dad playing with his kid, I'll look. Person with a patterned shirt- yep, I'll look. I don't care if they're fat, skinny, black, white, tall, short, etc... I don't hardcore "stare," but I do glance.

    Some cultures stare more as well. From a website about India:

     
  6. Danefied

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    I'm the exception to your "rules" above :)
    I grew up outside the US, I have always been skinny, like spine and ribs visible skinny. Not in a bad way, just the way I'm put together. For nearly 4 decades I never had much issue keeping a healthy weight. If I gained, I just upped the exercise, ate 1 cookie instead of 3 and that was that.
    In my 20's I was diagnosed with an enlarged thyroid that became nodular in my 30's. Eventually it turns out it had grown around some rather important parts in my neck, so I had to have it removed.
    I did not create a thyroid problem in myself. I lived in 3rd world countries and one of the things my parents used to do was drop iodine tablets in the water so they wouldn't get sick from it. My maternal grandmother also had thyroid problems and seeing as she was born in 1903, and worked on a farm most of her life, I don't think it was lifestyle related.
    When my thyroid was removed, since it was growing all around different structures in my neck, the surgeon accidentally nicked one of the nerves in my neck that controls the vocal cords and things like breathing and swallowing. Long story short, even after I had healed from surgery, the damage to that nerve made it so that when I exercised, my airway would seize up much like when you're about to cry and you feel like you can't breathe. Even longer story short, I gained over 50 pounds in 3 years.
    I don't live like crap or eat like crap any more than the next mostly aware american who tries to be healthy. I just suffer way more consequences than they do. Yet folks will look at me and assume I don't exercise and assume I don't eat healthy. I do both.
    I know what I need to do to get the weight off, it's just not a priority for me as I'm very healthy otherwise. I run and play with the kids and dogs, (can't do the trampoline with them, but that's not a weight thing, it's a mommy bladder thing ;)) My BP is perfect - sometimes even in the low range of normal, my bloodwork is great. I'm perfectly healthy, just fat. If I lost weight, absolutely nothing about me would change, nothing in my life would change, I would just wear smaller clothes. There is a lot more to people than what size they are.

    As for the blog, I think she's reading way too much in to folks' expressions and what they're looking at. I'm one of those people who stares off in to space thinking about something and looks like I'm looking at a person, when really I'm off in my own mind, not thinking about what I'm looking at at all.
     
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    I think her posture invites a lot of odd looks, simply because of how bizarre she is acting. sitting on a swing, not swinging, not looking at anything, hands in an artificial pose on her thighs, i would look at her like "wtf?" myself, not because shes fat, but because shes in public and behaving very oddly.

    I think shes reading way too much into how others behave to her, and I think shes creating most of it with her own behavior *shrug*
     
  8. ~Jessie~

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    I completely agree. The USA has the 6th highest obesity rate in the world.

    https://www.cia.gov/news-informatio.../obesity-according-to-the-world-factbook.html

    When there are more McDonalds than grocery stores in a 5 mile radius, you know there's a problem. You can get a few cheeseburgers and a soda for less than the cost of making a healthy meal at home.

    Besides that, many people don't understand what "eating healthy" means. For instance, Special K cereal is toted as a "healthy" meal option. The ingredients are:

    Take a walk down the cereal aisle in your grocery store. It's insane. If the "healthy" cereals are bad, we're doomed. Look at the ones we buy for our children. Fruity Pebbles doesn't even contain fruit!

    There are SO many foods that give the illusion of being healthy. Frozen yogurt isn't a health food. Most salads at restaurants are worse than burgers and fries. People think they're making a healthy decision when they order "just a salad," but in reality they're eating just as many calories than the "bad" foods on the menu.

    We have a place called the Ale House that we occasionally go to for happy hour. There are literally a small handful of items on the menu (besides steak) that are under 500 calories. And these are BEFORE sauces and sides are ordered. Even their tossed salad has over 300 calories and 17 grams of fat. Their Southwest Bistro salad has 1520 calories- BEFORE dressing is added.

    http://www.millersalehouse.com/media/pdf/NUTRITIONALVALUES6-14-12_new.pdf
     
  9. Red Chrome

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    I will never be a skinny person. I could be skinnier than what I am now and have been. My main problem is I tend to only eat dinner and no matter how healthy dinner is, it is unhealthy cause I just don't eat enough. So, my body is constantly in starvation state. I have been trying to eat something for breakfast lately and it has been helping.

    So, I do agree that diet plays a role right along with genetics.
     
  10. Beanie

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    The illusion of health food is a major issue, like Laur said, the kneejerk is "Eat whole grains and less fat!!" Uhhh. They've even done that with kid's cereal - slap a "NOW MADE WITH WHOLE GRAIN!" logo on it because that's 'healthy!!' Sigh.


    Really, what bothers me about this project is that she claims to not care what people think about her, but she clearly does. She very obviously minds because she looks at these photos and what she sees is "this person is judging me because of my weight" rather than "this person is looking at the same shop window I'm standing in front of" or "these people are looking at me because I'm sitting on a swing looking sad."
    What bothers me is that no matter what she claims, she feels bad about herself, SO BAD that she's created an entire art project devoted to highlighting how bad she feels about herself.

    Even worse, it seems there's some kind of twisted joy in "these people are judging me" so much that she specifically goes out and sets up scenarios to bait people into looking at her in a less-than-positive way... because somehow it validates how bad she feels about herself if she can "catch" other people judging her? "See, they're looking at me and mocking me because I'm fat. I'm such a fat slob."


    Her emotional state related to this project just makes me really sad. It's not like she's even really unattractive, though the fact that she's scowling or looking sad in most of these photos doesn't help. I bet she's quite pretty when she smiles or laughs.
     
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    This is a good post, it is also slightly bothersome she sought out these photos out of hundreds she snapped, like she was hoping for judgements to put on blast.

    It's fascinating but more in a photography sense and psychology sense, to me, like how people react to photo shoots and which photos she picks from said photo shoots and why.
     
  12. ~Jessie~

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    I agree. You can't just come up with correlations and consider them to be the truth. "People are staring at me because I'm fat" isn't the case, IMO.

    It's like saying "People who sleep more live longer." So, if I increase my sleep from 8 hours a day to 10 hours, I'll definitely live to see 90.

    Look at this photo:

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    She's holding a massive map in the middle of a crowd. I would be staring too.

    And this one:

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    It's downright depressing. She looks sad and is sitting alone at a table sulking.
     
  13. ~Jessie~

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    She also says that she's been to multiple countries and cities and has been doing this project over the course of a year.

    So, in theory, she has probably taken hundreds of photos. One session with my dogs results in 100+ photos... and I can narrow it down to a handful of really good ones.

    What I'm getting at is that out of the many photos she's probably taken, only ~15 are ones where she feels mocked.

    Where are people pointing and laughing at her? Where are the photos of people making hand gestures to show the curves of her body? Where are the photos of people rolling around and laughing at her?

    Most of the photos I see are of people glancing at her because she's doing things that are obviously drawing in stares.

    If I were to walk outside on a busy street and open up a huge map, I'd guarantee I'd get that same picture (and I'm a 115lb person). If I were to sit at lunch alone, I'd get people to glance my way. If I was walking down the street eating an ice cream cone, I'm sure people would look to see what it is.

    It's human nature for people to glance. Especially when you're in cities with a HUGE melting pot of different cultures. Really, she's setting up these shoots in NYC where people from all over the world visit- and like I said earlier, it's common for people in other cultures to stare. It's just normal for them.
     
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    I agree with this, there were only a couple of pics that I could see that could be laughing/looks directed at her. I have also gotten looks like this in passing & I (at least I don't think I am lol) ugly or fat ... I just think its people more being nosy or just noticing she isn't from the area. (more like "oh ... She must be a tourist" looks then "OMG an ugly fat person!" Looks.

    If she truly didn't care she wouldn't feel the need to document it IMHO. I also think its wrong to exploit people, saying they are horrible, bad, insensitive people when there is no way to know from a picture what they are thinking ... That's what's wrong with society today.
     
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    I agree with Beanie.

    Also in the series of photos Fran posted from the blog my first impression was that people were giving her looks because she was standing completely still in the middle of a busy sidewalk. THAT'S ANNOYING!!!!!! lol

    I have been in all kinds of sizes in my life. Once I hit puberty and got my boobs and curves I was pretty steadily a size 12 but I was in great shape (I wrestled in highschool and was pretty competitive so I worked out A LOT). sure I was picked on about being "fat" a time or two but it was mostly just catty teenage drama stuff. I don't believe they really thought I was fat, I just wasn't rail thin and they needed some insult to fling because that's just how it was in highschool if you weren't in the "in" crowd.

    I've been up to a size 22 and 250 lbs... probably about the size of the woman in this blog. I can't really say I ever felt like people were laughing at me or mocking me. I don't recall ever seeing anything that stood out but then... I wasn't looking for it either. I feel like I didn't get that kind of attention because even though I was obese I was still pleasant, always had a smile on my face and was friendly to everyone I met. So people were drawn to that and not focused on how my body looked.

    NOW I am a size 16 and in a lot better shape. I am still 183 and I have more weight to lose to be where I feel I should be to be healthy and apparently I get a lot more looks from the opposite sex lol but I honestly don't notice it myself. Brian notices it more than I do and he loves it LOL. He's always like "heck yeah... she's hot, you should stare at her" LOL

    Actually the biggest difference I have noticed with people commenting is when I changed my hair to red. People compliment my hair ALL THE TIME now lol. it's weird lol
     
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    I could very easily be pictured as one of the people "mocking" her. I people watch all the time and make smirky faces while I'm doing it. If you're standing in the middle of the sidewalk with a camera pointed at you I'm going to look to see what you're doing. Also I would probably make faces at her outfits in most of these (which is entirely hypocritical of me, it's not like I wear perfectly coordinated outfits....ever).

    I think she's seeing what she expects to see in these photos. Which is really sad.
     
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    Jeez lol if there was a camera trained on me at all times the caption would be "most hateful man in the world" lol. My relaxed face is a scowl. I posted a picture once on FB that was me frowning, and everyone was alarmed by how angry I look in the picture. A few people called me scary.

    I have no doubt anyone who makes eye contact with me randomly probably immediately feels self conscious or criticized. My dad had that effect, and as a boss, everyone who looks into the office when I am reading something or just idly browsing the internet immediately assumes I am in a bad mood and leaves.

    Don't get me wrong, overweight people do have it rough. I have an employee that used to be 400lb a year ago, and is now 300. He said the public reaction was incredible, and he isn't even close to "thin" yet. So it gets propotionally worse.

    I mean the stomach slaping thing. Is she really making fun of her? I frequently slap my own stomach when just idle. I also stretch, and do other really random things.

    I do feel she is assuming a lot there, but I agree that this sort of thing *does* happen.
     
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    She's obese, but not to the extent that I'd make a mental note of it, seeing her in a crowd. I see people her size all the time where I live. I'm more an abnormality at my my size (I'm pretty slim) than she is. I'd probably look at her because she's doing obviously out-of-place activities. It's also quite possible that I'd look at her just because she's there.
     
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    I don't know.. I think all this shows is that just because you're thin doesn't mean you are not judged. I mean, really, she's judging these people, saying they're mocking her, when they're doing nothing but being thinner than she is.
     
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    I got the idea to paint in gaze directions. I could be completely off, but here's what I see.

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    In that last one...a giant map, really? USE YOUR PHONE. IT HAS GPS. (There's a picture of her with a smart phone. It's got to have some sort of navigation on it). I feel like the guy in the middle is getting ready to cross the path, and doesn't want to run into people...so guess what? HE'S LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE WAY.

    As far as kids and sad people on swings...

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    OH NOES, the kid's starting at the Doctor! It must be because he's fat and she hates him! It can't possibly be because he looks depressed, is wearing a ridiculous outfit, is old and sitting on a swing, or is A ****ING ALIEN.


    Now, watch and see what the dialog is actually like.

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/embed/2IROtC6cAT4[/YOUTUBE]

    Okay, apparently it doesn't want to embed. Here's a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IROtC6cAT4

    YES! We have Chili's for staff meetings on occasion, and one of my coworkers always ordered the Quesadilla Explosion salad becuase "It's a salad, it's healthy!" (I order it because it taste good and isn't spicy lol). THAT SALAD HAS 1370 CALORIES AND 89 GRAMS OF CARBS! That is not healthy! http://www.chilis.com/EN/LocationSpecificPDF/MenuPDF/001.005.0000/Chilis Nutrition Menu Generic.pdf
     

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