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I indulge.....

I don't drink often, rarely actually as I don't enjoy hangovers... And have a ton of alcoholics in my family, so given that I am over cautious with alcohol...

However I like the feeling I get from indulging occasionally and I never worry about becoming addicted as I do believe it's not possible to become physically addicted to marijuana...

It's not for everyone and I don't claim it's perfectly harmless, but I do feel alcohol is 10 times worse...

Hubby and I actually talked to our Dr about it, it was an interesting conversation... He feels used casually it's fine, far less devastating than alcohol and his only reservation is in smoking it.. Because of your lungs..
 

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Compared to the things that are legal...like alcohol...and cigarettes...weed is tame. Very tame.
Thing is, I'm not comparing them. I'm looking at weed all by its lonesome self. And people do need to be aware of the facts, and not just have everybody pooh pooh it and say how it's so much more harmless than all this other stuff so it's fine.
 

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Thing is, I'm not comparing them. I'm looking at weed all by its lonesome self. And people do need to be aware of the facts, and not just have everybody pooh pooh it and say how it's so much more harmless than all this other stuff so it's fine.
This is true I suppose, and I am guilty of comparing to alcohol.... If for no reason than for me I kind of use it on occasion in the many use alcohol.. So it made sense for me to compare it....

I don't think it's entirely "harmless" but then not much is...

I do know, when used recreationally and in moderation it is an enjoyable indulgence for me, and many many people... Some who most would never guess...

But is IS illegal.... And a personal choice... Not one if your uncomfortable with that you should be belittled for... Just hope you don't think everyone who indulges acts like Cheech and Chong, or more recently Harold and Kumar... LOL
 

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But is IS illegal.... And a personal choice... Not one if your uncomfortable with that you should be belittled for... Just hope you don't think everyone who indulges acts like Cheech and Chong, or more recently Harold and Kumar... LOL
No worries there. I know a lot of successful, professional people who a lot of folks would be stunned to find out indulge for various reasons. And I do acknowledge there are health benefits for some individuals. It's just that use is so politicized people have knee jerk extremes in both directions.

It's all natural and so much safer than other recreational substances and good for cancer patients yeehaaaww!


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It's an evil wicked gateway drug and your children will kill their braincells with it then start doing meth and coke and heroine and DIIIEEEE!!!

And the facts get lost somewhere in the middle, which does everybody a big disservice.
 

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Is that the only study you can find that links it to schizophrenia? Because I've never heard of that and I've read tons of position papers and watched tons of documentaries on it, and the most serious problem that can PROVEN that is causes is slight brain cell loss in the area where your memories reside. It has only been scientifically proven to effect your memory, whether it be short term or long term. At least from what I have read. And I, personally, can attest to this because my short term memory is shhhhiiiiiiiitttt. Lol.
 

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Most of these studies were conducted in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand so aren't as likely to have the same political slants as American studies.

I chose to link to that one specific article initially, because it was the study that finally figured out the mechanics of how it causes schizophrenia. Here are links with other studies, where they've known for a long time that it does cause it somehow. They just weren't sure if it triggered it in people who had a predisposition or if it just randomly caused it.

Drug 'doubles mental health risk'

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1314465.htm

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6745

http://www.schizophrenia.com/newsletter/news02/schizup.oct2.html#nosmoke

This one is interesting. Apparently in Britain it was reclassified from a class B drug to class C because of the strong links to psychosis.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/cannabis.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jan/07/drugsandalcohol.politics

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754822?dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14626837?dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12446534?dopt=Abstract

OKay, I'm done for now because I have to go run errands, but there's a crap ton out there done in Sweden, Australia, etc.
 

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That's interesting...

It's hardly scientific I know, but I know an awful lot of people who indulge, some casually... Some more chronic... And have never heard of or seen this... The worst I've seen is a friend who feels she needs it to relax when stressed... And one young man who started too young, too often and is now a tad unmotivated in life... Not even sure that's his habit, he may just be a lazy bugger...

I will read the studies more as I'm curious, but wonder why I've never heard of or seen anything like this?
 

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Because, like they found in the first article I linked to, it seems to activate pathways in the brain that are activated during schizophrenia, but mostly in people with a predisposition to it. The total number of schizophrenics in the population is very small really (.5% - 1% ?). So even if it doubles the number of schizophrenics, chances are you won't see any significant increase in terms of the total population.

For those individuals though, they've acquired a lifelong condition that cannot be managed without lifelong medication. And even then, the meds we have don't work all that well.

Psychiatrists recommend for minors to not use it because their brains are still going through so much development, and for people not to use it if they have a family history of psychosis.

ETA: The danger overall probably isn't very high for any of you specifically, unless you have relatives with schizophrenia. But because nobody bothered to educate someone I was close to about the risk (including his doctor), choices were made that led to pretty much the destruction of my family. And that is not even close to an exaggeration.
 

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I am awfully sorry that happened.... Awfully sorry!

I do think it's important to know the risks in what you do/ choose and if you have a risk it definitely seems like something to avoid!

I just really feel that there are risks with almost anything we chose these days, riding my motorcycle increases my risk daily... And I guess my issue with marijuana being illegal, if I can do the compare thing for a moment... Is that tobacco causes far more damage and kills millions annually and it's perfectly legal.... and yet people are made into criminals for enjoying a puff here and there...

That's not to lessen your experiences at all, If that's a risk it should be made better known for sure.. And honestly I think it would be nice to have a good middle ground unbiased "fact" website out there... I'm not sure that exsists..
 
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According to a recent article I read about the Florida case, the man only tested positive for marijuana.
Really though unless smoking brought out this guys inner psychotic behavior, plain marijuana in virtually any amount isn't going to send somebody on a rampage...except to eat the refrigerator. A huge amount-the foot long variety, now that's a fattie mon-can certainly make somebody wacked out and paranoid, but you'd probably fall asleep soon after. What that guy smoked might have been laced with something that didn't pick up on the test.
 
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I think the only "real" medical conditions it causes is decreased sex drive and lower sperm count in males....

For the drug vs plant debate... What about things like oysters? Are they an aphrodisiacs or crustaceans? They effect your libido... haha

idk. It's not for me. It wouldn't effect me if they legalized it or not... I rarely even drink as it is...
 

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I think the only "real" medical conditions it causes is decreased sex drive and lower sperm count in males....

For the drug vs plant debate... What about things like oysters? Are they an aphrodisiacs or crustaceans? They effect your libido... haha

idk. It's not for me. It wouldn't effect me if they legalized it or not... I rarely even drink as it is...
Sooo... I take it you didn't read any of the links I posted?
 

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http://www.wlox.com/story/18915230/police-say-lubbock-man-tries-to-kill-dogs-as-sacrifice-to-god

On Thursday KCBD received a chilling 911 tape from a wife as she watches her husband try to kill their family's dogs here in Lubbock. Police believe he was attempting to "sacrifice" the dogs to "God" after the man said he smoked a legal herbal drug.

On June 14th, Lubbock Police arrested 24-year-old Joseph Johnson for animal cruelty and torture, a state felony.

During the 911 call you here Johnson's wife telling dispatch there was something wrong with her husband. She says she thought Johnson was a threat to himself, but then moments later she begins screaming over the phone.

The chilling screams are hard to listen to as she says "Oh my goodness, what are you doing. Oh my goodness he's hurting another dog." Screams follow and then she says "He's killing our dog."

According the arrest warrant when police arrived at the home, a black dog was standing in the corner of the yard with blood coming from his nose and mouth. The documents say the dog was obviously in pain, and also had a swollen eye.

The other dog, a small brown Chihuahua, was lying on its side also with blood coming from his nose and mouth.

Johnson's wife told police she saw Johnson pick of the brown dog and slam him to the ground.

When questioned, Johnson told police he had been "smoking a legal herbal drug" and that he had "disappointed his father – referring to God". He then told police he was going to "present a gift to his father."

The officer says he believes Johnson tried to kill the dogs as a sacrifice to God.

We're unsure what kind of legal herbal drug Johnson had been smoking but UMC Emergency Director Joe Sasin says that behavior is consistent with the side effects of legal synthetic marijuana like K2 or Spice.

"People often kind of gravitate to those hyper religious or hyper paranoid thoughts like people are trying to kill them, or there are a lot of religious overtones to it," said Sasin. "So, sacrificing dogs to God would be something you would expect with that."

Sasin says with the synthetic drugs readily available in stores, they see about a dozen patients come to the ER each month with psychotic episodes linked to the synthetics.

Officials with the animal shelter say the black dog is doing better. As far as the small brown dog, it's unsure whether he had to be euthanized.
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Really though unless smoking brought out this guys inner psychotic behavior, plain marijuana in virtually any amount isn't going to send somebody on a rampage...except to eat the refrigerator. A huge amount-the foot long variety, now that's a fattie mon-can certainly make somebody wacked out and paranoid, but you'd probably fall asleep soon after. What that guy smoked might have been laced with something that didn't pick up on the test.


There is marijuana induced psychosis. No other drug involved,no previous psych issue,just someone smoked some pot and they loose it. It is NOT a harmless drug as much as people want to think it is.

I think it sounds like this guy has a history though and he had smoked away some brain cells.
 

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I work on a psych ward. I see it. Saw it more at a hospital I went to in clinicals though. Depends on what a specific dr tend to dx.

And this is generally to be used as a one time diagnosis. Otherwise its schizophrenia with marijuana abuse if the psychosis remains. Article does not make a whole lot of sense to me. Its talking about people that are psychotic prior to smoking. I am talking about people who become psychotic after smoking and freak out and come in and then clear up.

I have a friend who smoked once what everyone else did and she became psychotic,talking about needing to throw her baby out the window(only baby there was not hers-she had no kids!) and was suicidal. No one else had any issues and it passed. Never happened to her again.

Supposedly the new DSM is having a new bipolar for drug induced. We will see. And work in the field every day and you will see if you think drugs have anything to do with it or not. Sometimes people will have it anyway but other times I think without the drugs they would have made it. Its sad. If people have mental illness in the family they need to stay far away from any drug just to be careful. Heck all of our psychiatrists have different views on it but they still all agree none of them are good.

Psychosis does not = schizophrenia it can clear up. If you are diagnosed with schiz you need meds forever. Psychosis can be from drugs or lack of sleep etc.
 

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