Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by Lily, Apr 10, 2006.
Does anyone know of a show quality Papillon breeder around Missouri?
You can go to the AKC Website and look for breeder referrals there
Try this site:
They say there dogs are show quality and that they've been breeding for over 25 years, but I just did a quick search, so you should look the site over well just to make sure they're good.
Wow!!! These sites are great! Thank you!
Try the Papillon Club of America's breeder referral. It's always a good place to start.
I take it you're planning on getting a Pap?
hehe Paps are ADORABLE!! but, not the breed for me. Although, they are related to the Sheltie!! *ooo history lesson* lol
Summer - Huh! I never knew that Shelties had spaniel heritage! Interesting.
I thought Shelties were herding group. The Pap used to called the Continetal Toy Spaniel. They are a dual classification in Toy and Gun Dog. They still have a pretty strong hunting instinct/prey drive. My Border Collie will not hurt a thing (herding) where as with Lilly I wouldn't put it past her to tackle a cat twice the size of her!
Can you prehaps post a link to somewhere where it says they are related to Shelties? I would love to learn more about them and the only sites I have managed to access say they are spaniels.
Ashlea, even herding breeds like Border Collies have spaniel/setter ancestry. I can imagine that it's similar with shelties, I just never really thought about that. The types of spaniels that influence the Border Collie are probably not at all like the ones in the Sheltie or Papillon's heritage.
I do love that most Paps are quite drivey and energetic, I sure hate to see a lot of breeders boasting about how mellow their dogs are.
Btw, I have a Pap and a BC too Amazingly, the Papillon could outrun the Border anyday.
Wow that is interesting. I never knew that.
My BC has super long legs and a body like a grey hound. I don't ever see Lills out running her. But that being said, the little bugger is fast. I have often had to bolt after her when she spots a cat! She also has a thing for pigeons!
I love your boys markings. He is super cute.
Lilly has a short coat for some reason. To look at she is close to breed standard body wise, but something went cockeyed with the rest of her.
What is your boys personality like. Lilly is a little fire cracker now that she has her confidence back.
yuppers, While they were generating the SHeltie, they decided to put in some Papillion for the size and other things. That is why you see some Shelties that have a "Papillion head" or "papillion ears"
I'll try and find a link for you guys to read up on it
Alrighty the page I found isn't working 100%.. but.. when the Sheltie was formed they used ... the border collie, the rough collie, the Greenland dog, the Vastgotaspets, and the papillon.
This is the link
Wow! Thanks Summer. It is always great to know new things like that! Very interesting!!! I always wondered how they got the Sheltie small!
hehe, its definately interesting eh! Some of the first Shelties actually looked a LOT like small Border Collies. I"ll try and find some pictures
Hmmm, link didn't work.
This is the first I have heard of Pap being in the early shelties. Most experts say the original "blend" was "Yakki dog"- Pomeranian-King Charles Spaniel and Border Collie (known as "working collie" back then as they were a mishmash and had little "type" to them but were judged on ability) with rough collie crosses (both declared and undeclared) added later to improve type.
Hope that link will work later, I am intrigued. Wonder what Charlotte McGowan has to say about this
edited to add. What I found was this. There is specualtion that the "dwarf continental spaniel" -a progenator of the Papillon- is somewhere in the sheltie mix. Others dispute this speculation because of the known KCS involvement. Anyway, it's not that shelties have Pap in them, but that they would carry a fairly close up common ancestry if the DCS inclusion in the sheltie is correct.
also edited for spelling, yegads!