Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage

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So the formula is Sin + Sorry Jesus = Get Out Of Hell Free? Where do I sign up? Sounds like an epic deal. Where do I sign up?
Yeah. It really is that simple.

But you have to MEAN it. Its starts with admitting that you are a sinner, need saved and that you cannot do it on your own. Its starts with the belief that there is something bigger in this universe than yourself. That mankind does not have all the answers. That we are created.

I hope you can do that.
 

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I'll agree with the sentiment but in this case not to the topic at hand. There are 1400ish rights associated with marriage legally in our country. IMO to deny any two consenting adults those rights is wrong.

You should have the ability to-
To inherit from someone who you've spent your life with
To visit them in the hospital after an emergency
To make decisions for who can no longer make them for themselves
Gain access to their benefits
File joint tax returns

Right now millions of gay relationships are treated as little more than roommates by the fed and states. I have a huge issue with that because even though I'm not gay and this will affect me personally not a wit - I see something granting more freedom to any consenting adult as a good and right thing to do.
Civil Union.
 

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Oh. I admit I'm a sinner. I just don't think I need saving. I also don't think Jesus was the son of god or that there is a god. I think its all twaddle.

The only person who needs to forgive me is the person I sin against. So what now?
 

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As long as you're not gay, of course.
NO ONE has said this is true. No one has said that homosexuality is the only sin you can't be redeemed from. You just have to recognize your sin and ask for forgiveness.

But like Puck said you must MEAN it. We will all still make mistakes, of course, but making mistakes is different from saying you are a Christian, but intentionally living against God's word.
 

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People are born gay. God made everyone. So therefore god made gay people.

As my friends says. Jesus loves me. This I know. Oh, no, he doesn't because I am a fag.
 
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so if i'm jewish can I get married? how about muslim? can I be married in this country? Mormon? Jehova's Witness? can buddhists marry? or is this strictly a christian thing?

Hate to break it to you, but marriage is hardly unique to christians. and quite honestly, christians haven't set a very high bar for what it means to be married.
 

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Actually, I have read that it is open to interpretation what is actually meant in the bible- it is a sin to be with another man because of lust ... But so is being with another woman. It is questionable that the love between a man and another man is condemned.
 

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so if i'm jewish can I get married? how about muslim? can I be married in this country? Mormon? Jehova's Witness? can buddhists marry? or is this strictly a christian thing?

Hate to break it to you, but marriage is hardly unique to christians. and quite honestly, christians haven't set a very high bar for what it means to be married.
Very good point.
 

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I am not going to put her in a position that would lead her to belive that disobiedience to God is OK. I will tell her the truth, no matter what. She will get to choose to live the way she wants too. I will not stop her. But I will always strive to teach her what I know to be true and why, but it will be her choice in the end. It has to be, you cannot force anyone to salvation.
The bolded part is sadly why gay suicide in the Mormon religion is so high it is scary. If you watch a movie called Prop 8: The Mormon Proposition it shows that parents are so indoctinated in Gays are sinners and so on that some parents have stated after their child commited suicide because of being gay that they are glad they did it. Glad their child killed themselves because now they have a chance at forgiveness and it is better then living a sinful life.

Sadly I can admit I used to believe in these teachings that come all the way from their prophet. Then I opened my mind. For the record I no longer believe in a God. It breaks my heart that a parent would rather their child die, or teach them that it is morally or in any way wrong to disobey "God". I would rather disobey a god and give someone acceptance and support when they are hurting no one then teach them that if they love someone of the same sex that they are going to Hell hence leading many to kill themselves.
 

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Uh no... Jesus lOves everyone all the time even sinners (which is all of us. We are all sinners). The difference is admitting your sin and asking for forgiveness and not willfully committing sin the best you can.

don't believe so now what? Well God will either find a way to touch you and save you or he won't. The end.

It's really not as hard as people make it out to be.

God doesn't like sin but he ALWAYS will love the sinner.
 

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Religious folk and non religious folk can argue till the cows come home over this and many other subjects and it means all of zilch. What DOES matter in this country is the VOTE. If the people vote it down, it's down........doesn't matter who likes it and who thinks it's fair or not fair. Vote people, get your friends to vote, get your momma to vote too.

*shrugs*
 

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The bolded part is sadly why gay suicide in the Mormon religion is so high it is scary. If you watch a movie called Prop 8: The Mormon Proposition it shows that parents are so indoctinated in Gays are sinners and so on that some parents have stated after their child commited suicide because of being gay that they are glad they did it. Glad their child killed themselves because now they have a chance at forgiveness and it is better then living a sinful life.

Sadly I can admit I used to believe in these teachings that come all the way from their prophet. Then I opened my mind. For the record I no longer believe in a God. It breaks my heart that a parent would rather their child die, or teach them that it is morally or in any way wrong to disobey "God". I would rather disobey a god and give someone acceptance and support when they are hurting no one then teach them that if they love someone of the same sex that they are going to Hell hence leading many to kill themselves.

Whoa whoa whoa... This crosses the line for me. You aren't honestly suggesting that we would rather see our child die than be gay? This is when I know this discussion has turned into seeing who can be more outrageous and outlandish.

We will always always love our daughter no matter what but our children will always do things the parents don't approve of but that doesn't mean we don't lo e them unconditionally.
 
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Whoa whoa whoa... This crosses the line for me. You aren't honestly suggesting that we would rather see our child die than be gay? This is when I know this discussion has turned into seeing who can be more outrageous and outlandish.

We will always always love our daughter no matter what but our children will always do things the parents don't approve of but that doesn't mean we don't lo e them unconditionally.
I never said YOU would support that. But it is a reality. Many gay children do kill themselves, including as adults because of how they are raised to believe they are going to hell for feeling as they do. It is not outlandish it is the truth of the matter. And it is the truth that many parent have stated, and even written books on how they are glad their child made that choice instead of living in sin.
 
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Religious folk and non religious folk can argue till the cows come home over this and many other subjects and it means all of zilch. What DOES matter in this country is the VOTE. If the people vote it down, it's down........doesn't matter who likes it and who thinks it's fair or not fair. Vote people, get your friends to vote, get your momma to vote too.

*shrugs*
ahh, that's not really correct. a majority vote can't supersede the constitution of the United States. and I think it can be argued that denying 2 consenting adults the right to marry is in fact denying a certain group of "equal protection of the laws" It also says that states cannot abridge immunities and priviledges of it's citizens.

I will not be surprised to see all of these state laws or state constitutional amendments going bye bye, that or all the laws regarding marriage will go bye bye. I'm betting on the former.
 

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