Obama/Biden versus Romney/Ryan?

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  1. OwnedByBCs

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    Gary Johnson.
     
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    You just did Nixon a grievous disservice ;)

    Romney's probably more akin to Cheney, I'd think.

    Except Cheney came closer to having a heart.
     
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    Well. Nixon did have the excuse of being insane. So he gets a brownie point for trying.
     
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    “We’re a nation that believes that we’re all children of the same Godâ€
    -Mitt Romney, completely ignoring the separation of church and state
    We are NOT a nation that believes that. Speak for yourself.
    UGHHH

    My vote still goes with Obama. As a student, a woman who appreciates her body being HERS and who thinks planned parenthood should stay open and that vagina isn't a dirty word, one who believes that there **** well SHOULD be a TRUE separation of church and state, in equal rights, in health care and help for people who truly need it, and for a president who cares about more than 47% precent of the population of this country.

    Point is, regardless of the debate.. As a mixed race woman with a VAGINA (OH GOODNESS I'VE SAID IT. VAGINAAAAA) and someone who cares about all of the above.. my vote remains the same.

    and with that *fran disappears into a poof of smoke because she is sick of discussing politics*
     
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    She said it better than I did.
     
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    Ok I just have to ask where all those jobs went? If he created so many jobs than why has the unemployment rate practically doubled since he became president?
     
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    I do not like either. I am seriously considering not voting, because I really don't want to waste the time to vote independent when it won't matter. When we get rid of the electoral college, I will take voting more seriously.

    I absolutely do not want Obama president again, but I really don't think Romney is much better. I do agree with Romney more on a moral standpoint, but I don't think either one of them are what this country needs.
     
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    I'd like a credible link to those statistics.
     
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    i'm writing in James Mattis whether there is a spot for it or not.
    tired of voting for the lesser of two crappy evils.
     
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    Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, I'm seeing a steady decline in that graph starting after '09. Which would mean the unemployment rate has dropped. Not risen.
     
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    It has dropped a little, but not since the beginning of his term, it actually increased dramatically before having a slow decline, though has held fairly steady(still at a higher percentage than when he became president) in the last year.

    And it wasn't quite double, as I glanced at the numbers wrong, but it still increased quite a bit since he has became president.

    I also will not understand how people can be accepting of the fact that he pledged to cut our deficit in half by the end of his first term in office. Instead he has added $5 trillion to our deficit. If he had done what he pledged to do, I would actually vote for him, and I do not agree with him on any other issues. However he added more debt in ONE term than Bush did in TWO. Now I don't agree with Bush adding that much debt either, but the thing that I really dislike about Obama is that he keeps trying to blame everything on Bush. 4 years down the road, and he is still trying to blame all this spending on Bush. He needs to take some responsibility.
     
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    An independent vote isn't a waste! At least certainly not any more than not voting- that is just admitting defeat. As a country, we HAVE to move past this horribly corrupt two party system- not feed it or ignore it.
     
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    This is a double edged sword. While most of the debt was accumulated while Obama was in office, it wasn't BECAUSE of Obama. 2/3rds of the current debt is there because of policies and actions created and acted on by Bush.

    Also, Obama hasn't been able to do a whole lot in office because for the first three years of his Presidency, the Republican majority in the House rejected most of his bills, including the Jobs Act. Obama has not been able to do the changes he wants. If we gave the whack job Bush a second term, certainly we can do it for someone who can actually make a change.
     
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    If we get rid of the electoral college, this Republic is truly over. Its already broken because of the 17th Amendment. Sure, having the popular vote decide the winner FEELS right.... But all that gives us in the end is the tryanny of the mob. Ancient Greece proved as much.

    This. I do not like either, but have an utter disgust for the empty suit currently occupying our White House. I've read his books. I listen to everything he says. I have to vote for Romney because I want those dollars in my bank account to have value 4 years from now. Obama and the D's have spent 5 TRILLION dollars on the credit card and has ZERO to show for it. Solyndra? We are at a 32 billion loss on GM and still counting. Young folks, stop and think about that. YOUR part of the debt is about $133,000.

    All the social issues... Oh how I wish they were the most important right now. It is really about the economy now and Obama's plan has zero basis in reality. Both of the major candidates are accomplished liars. But at least Romney knows how to actually create wealth, rather than just spread it around.

    Like it or not... We NEED really rich people to keep more of their money. Most of us work for them.
     
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    Obama had 2 years of his party being in total control. He shoved the healthcare bill down our throats, against the will of a vast majority of citizens, rather than concentrate on jobs. But then again, all the government has to do to help with jobs is get the heck out of the way. Just pick up a history book.

    He might be a nice guy, but The President should have some leadership experience. Its very clear (after getting his rear handed to him last night) that The President does not know how to handle being challenged. His entire life has been given to him. Read his books and you will see it.
     
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    Thats only because more people have given up looking for work. Its quite insidious how they calculate and report the unemployment numbers.

    Lies.... **** Lies.... Statistics....
     
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    All I have to say is Romney killed it from what I saw! And I didn't really like him much before to be honest.
     
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    I agree , I dont like either , but Romney managed to call Obama a liar and that was the extent of the harshness , mostly a decent debate.
     
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    Oh yes, the republicans are so good at not overspending.....seriously??? They talk a good game about it but they dont actually DO IT. They just cut from programs that are essential and call it "budgeting".
     

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