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Mach1girl

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I have this female puppy. She is Krazy Daizy. Beautiful, beautiful markings, personality, conformation, etc. I had her picked out right from the beginning. Happiest puppy alive!

When she started walking, we noticed her back legs looked sort of bowed, not her front, her back. She almost looked as if she had hip problems. We took her to the vet, and he checked her out. She had no apparant injury, and her hips lined up perfectly. She seems as though she is almost double jointed! She used to tremble alot, but that has since subsided.

The vet said that most likely, it is not a hip problem. I know there is a chance, but he said you cannot tell, except in severe cases, at this age at all. And she no where resemble a severe case.

She is constantly tumbling. When she walks even slow, she loses balance in her back end and falls alot. She is sooo happy, go lucky, bouncing, playing, etc.

She was eating tonite and I noticed her back legs would actually come off of the ground as she ate, and she had to keep stationing herself again. Like she is top heavy, but she is not.

THEN, I noticed her playing with her back toes, happily wagging and plucking at them, letting them spring back.

Could there be a chance that she has little or no feeling in her back legs???This is how it appears. Honestly. Maybe a spinal injury from birth? Her spine seems straite. And when she is stacked boy does she look good. But when she starts walking, its really weird and concerning.

This is anothe reason she will not leave us. AND, on Fri she goes for her shots and health certificate, if they tell me they have finally noticed something that is going to affect her quality of life. I see no reason to make her suffer.

As if I dont have enough on my plate!

I have given her time, as I said the trembling has gone completly. Shes so brave, outgoing, forward, not shy, plays laot by herself, bucking like a bronco and smacking at the air. Shes obviously not in pain.

I have tried searches but keep getting "swimmer pup" which does not apply to her. Anyone else know of this??? Heard of this???I have a feeling, it is not real good. She has to have some feeling or she wouldnt walk.

OMG, the poor child!
 

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Sad for you and her..... I had a pup that had " a weak back end " ... I gave him away to a boy who was having family problems ... he had wanted to buy a pup, but was taken by this special " needs " pup . Sadly , his family didn't seem to care and he was hit by a car. Luckily with over 100 pups I've only had a few sad ' issues " .... hey not all mine ( for new members ) I never had more than one Dam at a time , nor bred every year .... none ever had more than 2 litters. I just go back many years.
 

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This will sound bad, but take a pin or needle and poke her with it. NOT to make her bleed but hard enough it would make most pups pul laway or jump.
 

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I have stepped on her back feet, and with enough pressure yes she does yelp. (Accidental only)She gets between your feet!

So she has some feeling in her toes.

We may try the needle thing, up closer by her thigh or hip, very gently and shallow of course. OR maybe the vet will on Fri.

Her legs are thick too. Plenty of muscle. I forgot to add, her back legs are also longer then her front, this is evening out now, but if you hold them together, shes practically standing on her head! Maybe this is the problem.

Oh well, more estless nights.

I had another dream last night. The puppies kept getting out of the cage and could not keep them in. Guess thats my fear-them leaving me. They kept going to other people to greet them, or were looking for something.

Im losing it!!!
 

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When was your last vet check ??? This really should have been picked up at 4 weeks.
 

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I'm sure she can feel her back legs or she wouldn't be walking at all. That's weird though. She's obviously not in pain though. Please don't put her to sleep just because she might not be normal. If she's the happiest pup she should have the happiest life.
 

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[/IMG]This is her, you cannot tell her leg thing from this photo, but just wanted to share. Doesnt she look happy?Isnt she beautiful??

[/IMG]Can you see her how they look bowed??They really arent that bowed, however they look like the hip will "turn" to a bowed position each step.

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[/IMG]You can see them too while she is "pooing" I know, gross pic, but this is her leg "form"

When she eats her back legs come off the ground. Im thinking more like a spinal problem or maybe injury when she was tiny.

She was the slowest developing. Thats why the vet didnt pick it up, or us really early.

I dont know.I would never put her down just because she may be "special needs" Only if I know she will suffer(pain)
 

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One of the ways to check for nerve damage is to have the dog stand in front of you then start lifting paws to see if the dog stays stable on the 3 remaining feet. Generally if there is a weakness in the limbs (or nerve damage) the dog will collapse on the opposite leg from where you lifted.

I know this because one of my dogs got hit by a car or something happened to him without our knowledge. (He was an indoor outdoor farm dog that roamed a 130acre piece of property). He seemed fine except when he walked or ran he would start limping then tumbling slightly. The above test is what the vet performed when we took him in to be checked for it.
 

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Do yo uhave her swimming? Maybe try and get her swimming more to build up muscle tone without putting stress on her joints.
 
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When she eats her back legs come off the ground. Im thinking more like a spinal problem or maybe injury when she was tiny.
My dog does the same thing. Its because he is heavier in the front than the back.
 

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I don't think I'd give up on her just yet,,I would definately try the swimming therapy,. Most puppies are little clutzers, and take time for everything to catch up growth wise.

She sure is CUTE! In one pic, not only do I see the "bow", but she almost looks a little "down" on her hocks? Maybe it's the pic.
 
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I could just be a poor conformation fault, and if it doesn't cause her any pain she could go to a pet home, if she is badly built their is little you can do, i am confused though when you say she has perfect conformation, how can she when she has this problem?
 

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Her conformation is great when stacked, although the stack doesnt last very long, she wobbles and falls.

She is Palsy. Confirmed and tested by her vet. She cannot last.
 

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my partner and I recently bought a 8 week old pedigree staff. the day after we bought her we noticed she was doing this weird thing, she doesnt do it all the time maybe 5-10 times a day; she'll be playing or walking or sitting normally then all of a sudden she seems to lose her balance, her head tilts to one side on she kinda leans to one side, same side that the head tilts to, some times she'll fall over, if she does she tends to stay where shes fallen, other times she'll jsut walk or run around tilting to one side, her head always stays tilted when shes havin one of these turns. We took her to the Vets straight away, they thought it was an inner ear infection and gave us antibiotics and steriods, and told us to come back in a week. She's had all her tablets and is still doing it, we've taken her back to the vets and they've said they've never seen anything like it. they thought it may have been vestibular syndrome but the steriods would have sorted that out. we have to take her to see a specialist now and its going to cost us £600 to £1200! We have insurance, but i really dont trust insurance companies, Im sure they wont pay out, especially since we took her to the vets the day after the insurance policy was taken out. We really dont know what to do, she's fine in herslef, she never whines or yelps when it happens. Has anything like this ever happend to any one else?
just to let you all know we've been to the specialist. they kept her in for the day and did blood and other tests. we've got to wait til next week for the bloods to come and up to six weeks for the urine samples to come back. The vet said his gut feeling is that the tests wont show anything, the blood test were done to check for infectious diseases and toxins, as they could be the cause of this condition shadow has, something like parvo could have caused damage to the vestibular system (its what controls balance) but the vet thinks its unlikely. His gut feeling is there is some sort of damage to her brain, either it didnt form properly when she was in her mums womb or something since has caused it not to function properly. He said the next step is an MRI scan, which means we'll have to travel 400 miles as thats where the nearest centre is. The vet also said, if it is some sort of brain damage then there's nothing they can do for her as basically the damage has been done. He said she should learn to live with the condiditon and may get better, but she may stay the same, or she may get worse. So I have to wait for the bloods to come back first so they can rule out infectious diseases, then its an MRI scan to see if anything obvious looks wrong with her brain.
 

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They finally figured out what it was, a "functional disease", which means she was born with micro bacteria in her brain and the fluid surrounding the brain, its not dangerous, its not hereditory, its just something that happens. She will grow out of it, and learn to adapt to it.
Basically - SAME symptoms as your puppy.
 

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