Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers..

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  1. babymomma

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    or, tollers haha.

    My boyfriend wants one. Bad. And i think im willing to bend about one being our next dog, because im not sure if im ready for my German shepherd yet. (Yes, after the years of passion for the breed, and research, and picking out the breeder, i am still not ready) but its more due to, im not ready yet to commit to the training i want to do with it.

    Now, my boyfriend loves this breed. BUT, *I* need to know more about it yet before we 100% decide if we want one, or if its the dog for both of us.

    So toller people, info please? anything you can give me, plus if you can point me in the direction of some breeders so i can start checking them out and even learn more about the breed from them i would appreciate it.

    Kinda worried about adding a third dog, knowing that sometime in the future there WILL be another dog added.. which totals 4 dogs.. 4. haha. :eek:

    Still alot to talk about obviously and its a big decision that i do not want to take lightly.

    So infos for me paleeeaaase :)
     
  2. JessLough

    JessLough Love My Mutt

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    No real info that I will share, will leave that for those with experience with the breed, but I WILL one day have a toller :D I just love everything I have learned of them
     
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    We ran into a toller on our walk today, and i absolutly loved him. His owner hunts with him , but didnt get much time to talk to him about the dog. Gorgeous dogs. I do love the look of them, i love the size, its fur, everything physical but i need to know more about energy levels, trainability, just anything to do with the breeds general "personality" .

    So far i like them. but it might just be because i dont know them :p
     
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    will the boyfriend hunt w/ the dog?
     
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    Google and email Baywood Tollers. Emma's old trainer. :) I dont know if she still breeds them, or just Porties now, but she is a wealth of knowledge.
     
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    Yay! Toller thread. :D It's ridiculous really how excited I get when I see a Toller topic pop up, LOL.

    Is there anything really specific you want to know? I'll try and explain the basics as I know them based on my experience with different Tollers and Dance, but if I miss anything that you are curious about, just let me know. :)


    I find most Tollers to be very easy to live with... at least in comparison to other breeds I've owned and/or taken care of at some point. Dance and the vast majority of other Tollers I know are very apt to keep themselves occupied at home during the day without pestering you. Dance is very good at entertaining herself (in positive ways -- playing, goofing around by herself, etc.) if she's bored and I'm busy, and mostly she just sleeps the whole day. But when I want to do something, she's totally game and up for anything for as long as I want to do it. She can go for hours, but she by no means needs to. Ideally she should have 45mins to an hour of a walk and fetch per day, but if she doesn't get that for some reason, she doesn't becoming a nuisance. In the dead of winter, when it was like 40 below and we literally couldn't go out and do anything, I noticed she did start to becoming a little antsy and had a hard time just settling about 4-5 days into it. But we played little mind games around the house for a bit each day and she was fine. I'd say her energy level is about average of Tollers I know, though I certainly know some that very much are dogs who need to be kept much more active and busy. On average, be prepared to spend anywhere from 45mins to an hour and a half or so of playtime and exercise per day.

    Temperament wise, Tollers should be reserved with strangers (but friendly! As many people seem to believe, breeders included, reserved does not equal shy) but most are very devoted to their friends and family. Just don't expect a velcro dog completely. Tollers like to be with and near their people, but many also do enjoy their independence and are not glued to you 24/7. As an example, Dance follows me into every room I go and is very much a shadow, but she doesn't have to be with me necessarily. She just wants to be in the same room as me somewhere. Not all Tollers are very cuddly dogs either, which sometimes disappoints people. Dance is happy to lay (generally upside down, lol) in my lap for hours some nights, but other nights she'd good with just a few minutes of petting and then she leaves. Many Tollers are very silly, goofy dogs with a definite sense of fun and humour but they also know when it's time to be serious. That said, I also know some Tollers who are always serious and they're so serious that they kind of make you feel like an idiot if you want to goof around with them, LOL. Personally, I prefer a more silly, happy-go-lucky temperament... and that's the kind of temperament I see more often.

    Tollers are not mindlessly people pleasing like a lot of Goldens and Labs can sometimes be, but they do definitely like to please you to an extent with a bit of a "what's in it for me?" streak. But I find them very easy to train overall, once you find the right motivator for your particular Toller (as with any dog really). Dance is 10x quicker to teach and learn stuff than my Dobermans are (she's more focused on me and the task at hand), and she gives everything her all. It doesn't take them long to catch on to something. If we're working on something, you can bet that she's going to try her very best to get it absolutely right (no matter what it is). But you do have to mix things up a bit with a Toller. Most get very bored very easily with a lot of repetition.

    Tollers are generally very good with other dogs, although I do find they have a very low tolerance for in your face, rude, pushy dogs and will tell them off.

    The key thing with Tollers is to socialize a lot. This is not an area you want to be lazy on with a Toller. If you are, you will very likely end up with a fearful dog who will easily spook at everything. Make sure the dog gets used to people of all sorts, all kinds of loud noises, funny things like strollers, bikes and skateboards, other dogs, etc.

    Beware of a Toller bark. It is ear piercing. Never mind the scream (which many dogs of any breed can do really, but a Toller's voice is so shrill that it can be even more annoying), the bark is enough to make you jump, haha. It's very high pitched, and lots don't really let out a real distinct "Woof! Woof!" sound all the time. It's kind of all jumbled up into one long, really shrill "aroo roo woo!". Especially an alarm bark, when the dog wasn't expecting something. That said, Tollers are not real barky dogs I don't find. They definitely alert you to things, but they don't bark for the fun of hearing their own voices.

    Grooming wise they're very easy. They shouldn't take much in the way of brushing, and a bath every month or two or so is fine. I also trim feet and pluck and trim ears once a month too to keep the dog looking pretty and tidy. Otherwise the toe hairs get all long and Grinch like (which is messy) and the ear hair gets really fine and cottony and can knot (but the breed isn't known for knotting or matting otherwise). I brush Dance with a pin brush on her tail and pants/back leg feathers and I use a comb on the rest of her body. She has a really soft, fine coat. Some have more plush, harder (more correct) coats that require a pin brush (or even a slicker on some dogs) for the whole body and then a comb through.

    Most of all, I find Tollers pure fun. They have such a zest for life and so much enthusiasm that I just haven't come across in other breeds I've been around yet. Tollers live with play games and have fun and a good time -- that's what life is all about! I can't imagine my life without a Toller. I'd be so bored. Dance brings so much laughter and joy to my life.

    This site here will give you a list of loads of breeders in canada (and the rest of the world too) if you'd like to take a look. Just put in "Canada" and "kennels" in the search bar at the top. The NSDTR club of Canada should definitley be able to point you in the right direction also. I know of a few good breeders in Ontario and in BC and Alberta, but I'm unsure about who is recommended further east than Ontario and especially in the maritimes. I know Little River kennels seems to be a popular named tossed around from people in your area (they're located in NS I believe), but I've never spoken to them or anyone with their dogs. They might be one to contact though.

    I hope that was a bit helpful! I'm sure I left out a few things as usual by accident, but hopefully it'll give you an idea as to my experiences with the breed anyway. :)
     
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    Oh thank you guys sooo much :)

    pops, as of right now he would like to use the dog for hunting. But that will be more or a little hobby thing, the dog will be first and foremost a family pet. :)


    Socialization is something I am definatly ready for. I did SO so much of it with keely when she as a pup, but it still wasnt enough so its an area I will be very careful with , with each dog i own in the future.

    I Love how they are naturally reserved with strangers, thats a trait that i love to see in a dog. Maybe its because "my" breed is german shepherds? , either way, i hate how casey (Lab) wants to be best friends with everybody she meets and doesnt mind crawling into strangers laps.

    Honestly, the temperment of a toller, and its trainability reminds me alot of keely :) which i like.. Alot. haha.

    So far, i do like this breed. And i think the more i learn the more potential i have to absolutly fall in love with the breed.
    just from what you have said, they seem like *the* perfect dog for me. So now i have to research and research some more to make sure they are. I certainly do not want to bring a dog into my home, and fail him/her. So i really want to be sure.

    Im thinking about maybe some agility. I wanted to do it with keely, but living with my parents, too many things got in the way.

    It could very well be another year or more before we are ready for our next dog. Which as of right now looks like it will be a toller. :eek:
     
  8. JessLough

    JessLough Love My Mutt

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    Ok I am going to jump in here, since it is a toller thread (hope you do not mind, Jess!)
    Just a couple questions, Toller ;) How are they prey drive, wise? I have the ferrets, and always will, and even though I KNOW it can be trained that they are fine with them if I get the toller as a puppy (heck, the person who gave me Ren and Rogue has a husky who was fine with them), but I would want to know ahead of time :) Obviously, with any dog they will need to be trained to leave them alone and such, I know.

    Also, just cause I noticed you said you do not know of any any further east than Ontario, could you recommend any breeders in Ontario? I have looked at a few breeders, but other than their website, know nothing about them. Feel free to PM me if you would rather, though :)
     
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    See, I'd just put my foot down.

    My fella wants a Lab. I've told him he can have one. But I am getting MY dog (I'm not keen on labs really, I am happy with a mutt, but the RIGHT one for me).

    I said as long as he doesn't mind having three dogs, we're sound as a pound ;)
     
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    Ok, I lied, one more ;) What kind of health testing should be done for tollers? I just found a breeder actually like 30 mins from my house :p Andddd I just found one in my city... :rofl1:
    Darnit Jess, you are eeeevil
     
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    if he is going to hunt w/the dog, even just as casual weekender, it needs to be the dog he wants to hunt with, when he feels ready to take on the job. if you dictate to him what kind & when it'll create resentment. IME compromise on these things usually means one person giving in & the other getting what they want, but if you can reach a compromise where you both are giving something up then you usually don't have the resentment. the resentment often gets redirected at the dog the guy didn't want in the first place. but that goes both ways, if he doesn't do his part to make the dog livable you'll resent the dog.
    if you're okay and can reach an agreement on time line, go with the toller. they are a good working breed that hasn't been terribly screwed up by "pet" BYBing & showies ignoring working ability (from what i've seen most of the show fancy that is involved wants to retain working ability).
     
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    I don't know much about Tollers, but the breed club is usually a great place to start
    they have some helpful information as well as breeder referrals

    NSDTRC(USA) Home

    Does your boyfriend live with you? I was wondering because you said there would be 4 dogs in the house and I thought you lived with your parents

    Just a word of caution if its going to be one of those "Oh hes your dog but he lives at my house" I have seen those situations end badly quite a few times.. you are the one stuck with daily care and its a lot of "well its YOUR dog you should do this" and "but its MY dog I should decide this!"

    as for me, I am not willing to bend when it comes to things like this, but I am very MY DOG kind of person lol in my family, dogs are a very personal thing, its very "this is my dog. that is your dog" even in the same household lol they are like our kids.. we love all of them and they are all part of the family but...those are mine lol

    You know yourself and the situation.. I would just be very sure especially if there is no possible way of getting a 5th dog..that you are sure you won't one day resent bending and not getting the GSD you've always wanted.
     
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    I just sent a long winded email to the breeder in my city. nononononononono. Why do I do this to myself?
     
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    Jess, i dont mind you asking questions at all, this thread was made so i can learn, no harm in you learning as well and in turn, you asking questions gives me more information on the breed.

    Right now i am living with my parents.. June 23rd i`ll be moving in with him. He owns his own home so getting a dog isnt an issue. We could have 40 and it wouldnt cause problems with keeping the house.. But 4 is my personal limit.

    See, the way i see it, hes picking out a breed he likes, And as long as *I* like it too, it wont be an issue. Even with keely and casey, *I* own keely and *he* owns casey. We both had the dogs before we even met each other. But in out minds, they are our dogs. Thats just the way we are. We both love each others dogs. He especially adores keely. She doesnt want much to do with me when hes around, she is more for him. She`ll leave my arms for his when he comes to sit next to me on the couch, but i dont mind it, i know she still loves me the bestest. ;)

    And pretty much no matter what breed he chooses (unless its a dog i KNOW i wouldnt be able to reach its needs, like say, a malinios or something like that) i'm almost gauranteed to love it. I have yet to meet a dog that i didnt love, and like i said, unless its something extreme, like with extreme stimulation needs and such, i can pretty much do whatever to accomidate its needs, that part doesnt bother me, if i have to up the time i excercise because of a certain dog, im 100 % willing to do it. It would be good for both me and the dogs we already have. There are few breeds i know for a fact i never want to own. (including shih tzus, pomeranians, chis, and a few other small breeds)
    And if he 100% decides he wants one, im not going to say no. Im pretty easy to get along with, especially when it comes to dogs. I just want to know what im getting into and what to expect. He knows that some day in the future, I WILL get a german shepherd. And i think he knows it would be cruel of him to try to dictate that.

    If we get a toller that will be three dogs (as haley is my brothers dog, not mine) ...So that leaves room for one more.. So that means no doggies for us for a very long time.

    Im pretty much just rambling :p

    Oh and toller_08 i assume same sex aggression doesnt be a big problem in this breed. From what ive read on the breeders website they are pretty tolerant of most dogs (and you've said it too) .. Im going to want a female, because that will mean we'll have 3 females and my GSD will be a male. As Some GSD's do tend to be agressive , and intolerant of other dogs of the same sex.

    So far i'm 100% sold on this breed. (Never once seen that coming *eyeroll* , and yes that is dripping with sarcasm)
     
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    Yeah, there's a breeder in my neighbourhood. I know nothing about them, though!
     
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    Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you guys! I went to reply earlier, but then we had to go out for a few hours and I didn't have time.

    Babymomma, I'm glad that I was able to give you some helpful information! I also love the reservation with strangers. I don't mind a dog that loves everyone, but I prefer a dog that doesn't really care whether they meet a stranger or not. Unfortunately Dance is shy with strangers despite my best efforts, but we deal with it and hopefully my next Toller won't be.

    They definitely are a good Agility prospect if that's something you're interested in! I don't love Agility as much as I thought I would (I mean, I do enjoy it a lot, but Obedience is more my thing for some reason), but Dance thinks it's the best game ever. Just watching her have so much fun with it is entertainment enough for me!

    And no, same sex aggression does not seem to be an issue in the breed. As with anything, you do want to make sure that any new dog you get will hopefully be compatible in temperament with your current dogs, but overall Tollers are friendly with other dogs regardless of gender.

    JessLough, prey drive really depends on the dog. Some Tollers have quite a bit if prey drive, while others really don't have much at all. I think you'd likely be ok, but make sure you let a breeder know that you'd prefer a puppy with less prey drive if the dog will be living with small animals. Most of my Facebook friends are Toller people, and I've seen stories of a few grabbing squirrels and bunnies and things out in the yard. Cats usually seem to be ok if the dog grows up with them, but I'm not sure what a Toller would be like with ferrets. Of course, supervision is very important, as I'm sure you know. I wouldn't leave a Toller (or any dog really) alone with a smaller animal.

    As far as breeders in ON, I will PM you. Some breeders don't like to be talked about on a public forum, so I figure PM is the best way to go about recommending breeders usually. There are a fair number of good breeders in your area though, and there is also the Ontario Toller Club that would be happy to help you out also.

    As far as health testing, you want to look for eyes, hips and thyroid to be tested at the very least. Many breeders also test elbows and patellas as well as cardiac.
     
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    No real info on todays Tollers….. I grew up with this breed, all around me… I lived less than a half hour from Little River and this is a fairly young breed, when I was a kid there were a lot of Tollers around, many used for their traditional role, and also a few of my friends fathers were Lobster Fishermen who took them along on the boat….

    I find it sad there seems to be few breeders left Down home…

    I will say, like many working dogs in my hometown, papers meant very little… Even today dogs bred for hunting Down Home are rarely papered, The breeding programs there work more like Don has a great hound but she has a soft bay and is a bit too slow, Joe has a great hound with an awesome bay and too much speed… One may be Blue Tick, one Beagle… but they will breed them to get the better Bay and Speed… That is the way most dogs were bred where I come from… I will also be the first to admit, many old school hunters would laugh if you mentioned health testing beyond basic vet care… But their dogs lived to ripe old ages, retiring by their masters feet once they trained the next generation…
     
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    I think there are at least a couple unregistered breeders breeding Tollers still in Nova Scotia. Something was mentioned on the Toller e-mail list I subscribe to recently about unregistered dogs out there that people are still breeding solely for working/hunting purposes. However, I don't know who these people are or how reputable they are. But there are definitely still Tollers being bred in NS. I will say though, many of those Tollers do look fairly different (and almost muttly to me personally) from the dogs being bred by CKC registered breeders... which is to be expected.
     
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    ...I am setting up a time to go meet a breeders dogs, and to talk with them more in depth. I am just going to torture myself, LOL.
     
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    Yay! That's exciting. I hope the crazy little red dogs are on their best behaviour so they'll convince you that Chaz needs another Toller around one day. :D
     

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