No to Vegetarian diets

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  1. Sapphire-Light

    Sapphire-Light woof!

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    I had seen many people that think a dog can be healty whit a 100% vegetarian diet, even they give papaya seeds to they dogs, that's just bad.

    I know dogs don't only have to eat meat, but they need balance on they diet, this pearson don't seem to undested that brocoli, papaya, seeds, cabbage, lettuce, ... are bad for the carnivores.

    And they are people on the other side that think dogs only have to eat meat, bones, meat by products, that bad too.
    Even I saw a snaucer breeder on animal planet that recomeds to feed the dogs whit only crude meat and milk, just wrong.

    When I say to people that this is wrong they think "she's crazy, the dogs have to eat bones"
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean it's wrong. Which part? A dog can eat a nice healthy raw diet - and they do need bones. And some dogs seem to do well on a vegetarian diet but I'm not for that. You really have to know what your doing to feed yourself that way let alone a dog!

    Basically, I think everyone needs to do their research on what they feed their dogs (and theirselves) That includes kibble!
     
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    The papaya seeds, and the bone can perfore they stomach, and they teeth could broke.
     
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    Only cooked bones are dangerous. And I don't know about papaya seeds but papaya tablets are good for tummies! Why would you feed seeds? I'll have to look into that.

    Dogs have been eating raw bones for thousands of years. That's where they get their calcium among other things from.
     
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    Well many people feed them whit the leaft overs of thet food, and my aunt wen she had a dog feed him whit papaya and papaya seeds, weird!
     
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    That's weird. I've never heard of feeding papaya seeds!
     
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    My three dogs are fed a raw/kibble diet and will soon be eating a completely raw diet. It is completely balanced and healthy. Let me ask you: If my dogs are so unhealthy, why are their coats fuzzy, shiny and silky? Why are they full of energy (and one of them at the age of nine)? Why do they have all of their teeth (pretty healthy teeth, infact)? Why is it that--even though they've eaten who knows how many bones--none of their teeth are chipped or broken?
     
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    Gaddy,I've heard its bad to feed all meat too. You may want to look into that more.
     
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    I don't think it's bad to feed all meat at all. You should feed varied meat and supplement with things like eggs and yogurt... veggies are good too. I guess it depends on what "all meat" means.
     
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    So you don't feed all meat,right? I took all meat to mean all meat,no eggs veges etc.
     
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    Oh no, I'm talking about a 100% vegetarian diet, whit no proteins, I had a dog named Oso, that we gave him bones when we don't know that was bad, and he broke many teeh :(

    And my counsing dog Rosting the cocker had his large intestine blocked of the remines of bones.
     
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    joce

    I feed my dogs vegetables. The diet is mainly meat, but vegetables are also a part of it. The vet also recommends a can of tuna or two eggs once a week (organ meat is supposed to be fed daily with this diet).

    Sapphire-Light

    Sorry, it just sounded to me as if you were saying raw diets are bad. I don't completely agree with feeding a vegetarian diet to a dog--they're carnivores--and I personally won't ever feed a vegetarian diet to my pets.

    Gaddy
     
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    I know someone who feeds basically all meat and bones to her dobie. He does get vegetables now and then, and he's very healthy.
     
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    No is ok, I mean meat whitout cooking, 'cause if have poultry could get salmonela if the dog don't eat it at the moment.

    And I make this topic 'cause I met 2 cats that have vegetarias diets, one scaped of the hause and the other died from malnutrion :( , even when I told the owner that they needed meat, is some people can't stand that the dogs and cats need meat, why don't have a rabbit as pet?

    They need a balance on they diet.
     
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    I feed my dogs almost exclusively raw meat and bones, and they are extremely healthy. Maybe 15% of their diet is supplemental, with very few vegetables. People need a "balanced" diet. Dogs need raw meat and bones. They need a variety of meats from different animals, including poultry. My dogs get meat, bones, connective tissue, and organs from pork, chicken, turkey, fish, beef, and the occasional game animal that my step-father ships over. Bacterial contamination in raw meat doesn't affect dogs in the way it affects humans; their digestive tract is built to process raw meat, including the little critters living in the meat. I'm not saying it's not possible for dogs to get sick from eating raw meat, but a healthy dog eating healthy meat won't have trouble.

    I work with a man who feeds a "primitive" diet, meaning he feeds nothing but raw meat and bones to his dogs. He's a breeder of GSDs and has won the national Schuthund event in America twice with dogs he raised himself.

    The point is, no, dogs shouldn't be forced into a vegetarian diet. That qualifies as cruelty in my book. But raw meat from healthy animals is, in my experience, the absolute best thing to feed dogs. You can't feed just meat, you have to feed bones as well. As long as they're not cooked, bones are a very healthy, essential, and safe part of a dog's diet.
     
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    this statement in itself is correct. if you'd feed a dog only meat and nothing else, it's not going tobe healthy for very long, simply because the calcium-phosphorus ratio will be completely out of whack.

    bones are the key. they balance the mineral content of the diet to a ratio these animals have evolved with. but even meat and bones alone still won't keep your dog healthy. you also need to offer a variety of organ meats, which contain different nutrients than muscle meat.

    that being said, different dogs have vastly different needs. i know of dogs who do not do as well on a "mostly meat and bones" diet devoid of any carbs.

    and i know of dogs who suffer from severe allergies or seizures and can not tolerate any food from animal sources at all. i know, slightly different situation, but these dogs do well on their feeding regimen and are symptom free.

    cats are obligate carnivores. they absolutely require meat and preformed, activated types of certain vitamins that only occur in animal sources. this does not hold true for dogs, and feeding a dog a carefully planned and balanced vegetarian diet is possible. anyone who is interested in the topic should read dr. pitcairn's complete guide to natural health for dogs and cats.

    my personal opinion is that first of all an individual dog's requirements must be met. if the dog obviously thrives and is healthy long term, why stereotype?
     
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    Sapphire-Light....

    My dogs have eaten raw chicken many times. In fact, we've got a bag of raw chicken wings in the freezer for them. They have crunched on the raw chicken bones, they've chewed on raw chicken. And they've finished it off. Nothing is wrong with them. Perfectly healthy. They're strong, muscular. Shiny coats, nice teeth. Lots of energy. Yes, you do have to worry about salmonella, but we don't worry too much. My girls get raw eggs all the time too---yes, that's another risk for salmonella. If my vet were so concerned about salmonella, she wouldn't have recommended raw chicken and raw egg.
     
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    It isn't a raw diet if it's cooked.
     
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    I just read from some one on a non animal forum that dalmations can't digest meat correctly and they need a close to all vege diet. Is that true? That would explain why my friends dal was always sick when we were little. I never heard that before.
     
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    I've never seen evidence of that, Joce. Probably this person fed their dog something that didn't agree with him and made a blanket judgement about the breed. You should take any statement--not just dietary ones--that start with, "All dalmations (<--insert your breed there)...." I've heard the most ridiculous breed-related stereotypes in my time. Like Mordy said, all dogs are individuals.
     

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