Hello! Wow I haven't been here in a month of sundays. Never forgot the place though. Best forums ever and I was helped out a year ago with a new female dog that I was worried I'd have to get rid of. but you guys saved us!:hail: well since that time she has had her first litter I have 4 beautiful shih tzu puppies that were born on June 28th. 3 girls 1 boy. They have doubled in size and have been doing really well. Me and my wife checked for milk from the dam daily and she was producing milk until yesterday morning she seems to have stopped producing. We made a visit to our vet and he lead us in the right direction I believe. We are trying to start them on formula which they are not fully getting the hang of yet. It's difficult for us too. the hole for the bottle is tough to get just right and I'm so affraid their not able to get a good suction from it and that I'm nervous about squeezing the bottle to draw milk, since it seems I have to use some pressure to get it going. not wanting to drown them. We also are starting to feed the mom higher quality canned/trayed dog food and making sure shes getting her water and EVmilk/yoguart mixture so I'm hoping this will help. my question is: The puppies are still trying to nurse from the dam and I'm wondering if their able to get anything because they seem fine in doing so even though we are doing the squeeze test on the nipples and seeing no signs of milk. The puppies don't cry or pull away from nipples. they look like their nursing normally. They nurse for the same amount of time and then fall back and sleep. I check for milk from the nipples and still nothing. Is it possible for their still to be milk even though I've done the squeeze test? another question is if we have to go full time with bottle feeding. what's a good kind of bottle to use? the ones I was able to pick up from walmart in a frantic search are so small! :yikes: from the direction on the powder formula it will take 2 bottles for each 11 oz puppy. also any tips on making the holes just right? I'm using a thumb tack and have just percied the top several times to make it drop out better. sorry for the long post and thank you for your time and any help.