No Bulldog or Pekenese will Compete at Crufts

[Kat09Tails]

All the show people I know are praising that article.

http://www.bestinshowdaily.com/blog/2012/03/crufts-campaign-against-the-purebred-dog/

Sometimes you can be too close to a problem to think objectively about it. I saw an interview today where the breeder of the BOB clumber claimed her dog didn't have entropion when I can see it in the video. Was her eyes the worst I've ever seen in a clumber? No, but it was there. Her claim was visible haw is allowed within the breed by standard which is true but also within the standard is the line: free from obvious eye problems.

Funny enough the pug made it through as did the crested. I'd love to see pics of those dogs.

 

[Dizzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYg5DezDsgc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Laurelin]

Here's the pug:

 

[Shai]

The interview mentioned above is here, for anyone interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ubTCBN_l1E&feature=share

Sometimes you can be too close to a problem to think objectively about it.

I think you nailed it on the head here.

 

[Shai]

Here's the pug:

From people who were at the show (not "Pug People") I have been hearing that other than the extremely short muzzles, the Pugs looked more moderate than they've ever seen them, and that they enjoyed watching the breed this year.

Though an Izzy the Wonderpug fitness routine wouldn't hurt him one bit. I guess not everyone can be a Wonderpug.

 

[Laurelin]

And Crested: http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp?ShowYear=2012&GroupID=TOY&ScheduleID=8

 

[MandyPug]

From people who were at the show (not "Pug People") I have been hearing that other than the extremely short muzzles, the Pugs looked more moderate than they've ever seen them, and that they enjoyed watching the breed this year.

Though an Izzy the Wonderpug fitness routine wouldn't hurt him one bit. I guess not everyone can be a Wonderpug.

His head is certainly the most moderate I've seen in a long time and he's not quite as straight in the rear as I've seen lately. He's most certainly obese though.

There is only one Wonder Pug, and she'd be laughed out of the show ring (heck she was pretty much laughed out of our conformation handling class when I was clear that I was just using her to learn on so i could handle other peoples' dogs).

 

[Beanie]

Wonder if it's time to start up an e-mail campaign to AKC. On one hand I can understand the criticism. I don't like the "fifteen targeted breeds" thing, I think it implies some particularly harsh things about those breeds and glosses over problems in other breeds. I also can't exactly disagree that now people will go "See??? PUREBRED DOGS ARE UNHEALTHY. This proves it!" I also would be lying if I didn't say I could see some slippery slope stuff going on here.

But at the same time I think it's a lovely step in the right direction. And also think people are completely kidding themselves if they REALLY think judges are truly looking at a ring to honestly put up the best example of the breed. There's a reason handlers tend to be more successful than owner-exhibitors and it's not because they have more skill - it's because they have a recognizable face. "Expert judges?" Experts in what? They're an expert in how THEY interpret a standard. That's it.

Boy, I can't wait for Louisville now... guess I know what everybody will be talking about...

 

[Dekka]

That blog post is deleting posts that say, even reasonable things that are 'pro' testing at shows.

 

[Laurelin]

The peke one?

I can see the slippery slope argument but I really think people are being paranoid. There is a big difference between looking at a dog and seeing if they have obvious health problems and then ending all breeds because they're all exaggerated to some extent. At any rate if people still want to breed these breeds in an unhealthy manner they can do so, the KC just will not be putting up their dogs at the top shows. I think the idea that 'omg, this is the end of everything!' is hysteria. Oh no, they are doing something different.

I'd like to see them do health screenings on all breeds at all big shows at the least.

Then again I am the kind of person that would love to see a change to my own breed's standard to DQ the tiny dogs - put in a minimal weight. And I think a vet looking at the winner's patellas and feeling for slippage would be a good thing.

I do wonder what they will do with breeds like the cavalier that are in dire health predicaments but are fairly moderate in phenotype.

 

[Dekka]

They best in show one..

 

[Xandra]

I find it so strange how the rattle off the dog's achievements when its health is under fire. TALK ABOUT ITS HEALTH, NOT ITS RIBBONS!!!

ETA I'm about 4 mins into the Clumber Spaniel interview and I feel sorry for the owner (even though I find it bizarre how she counters a claim against a dog's health with 'well it's the most popular dog in the breed').... if it's true her dog has every health check in the book and is otherwise healthy but for a bit of conjunctivitis, which the breed judge didn't mind, then I don't agree with that.

To me this vet check should be to weed out dogs that have obvious genetic disorders (ectropion), cannot breathe or wobble when they walk etc... that is where their interference matters, not over mild conjunctivitis that the judge let through.

Actually since that Clumber had a gamut of health tests it would've been nice to see that recognized somehow.

 

[Dizzy]

 

[Laurelin]

They best in show one..

Yeah I thought it was weird that every single post there was in favor of the writer. Especially when I've seen it brought up so many times to be criticized.

 

[Dizzy]

You can't tell me these are healthy eyes...

 

[Xandra]

Here I am pounding out my ETA, and you've already posted information that made it irrelevant :lol-sign: **** internets...

 

[Laurelin]

But that's not the same dog, is it? (Markings look really different to me)

http://www.kennel-chervood.dk/?page=dogs&id=29

 

[Sapphire-Light]

Go KC!! that's a great step.

This just came across my Facebook - I can't tell you how much this disappoints me.

So is like they are saying

"We have the right to keep breeding this deformed dogs that cannot even give birth or mate anymore, with muzzles so short that even if the dog walks a few steps in a rig it get so tired and their breathing sounds like a rusted locomotive and it has to be let on a bucket of ice or it will faint for the overheating, A vet cannot tell us there's something with our dogs, because to our eyes this dogs look really pretty and flashy, we don't care if the dog has a miserable life from this malformations, we only want a lot of ribbons and thropies hanging from our walls, not a good quality life for them"

 

[Dizzy]

But that's not the same dog, is it? (Markings look really different to me)

http://www.kennel-chervood.dk/?page=dogs&id=29

Same breeder - same show dog - same "qualifications" - same "example" of the breed!

Same old sh!t

 

[lizzybeth727]

I've skimmed through this thread and have read other articles, but I can't find what the bulldog and pekenese were failed for? Can somebody tell me?

I have a facebook friend who said "a competent judge went over each and every one of these dogs and found them to be the best example of their particular breed and what happens? A veterinarian, who may not have any knowledge of that breeds standard, is then allowed to "judge" the dog and rule if it is fit enough to take the prize." Sooooo, a conformation judge should be able to diagnose medical problems better than a vet, because the vet doesn't know the breed?? Yeah, that makes sense.