Newbie Breeder EXPECTING!

[Serena]

And not to answer questions for her but what is wrong with breeding a sound AKC registered female to a sound AKC registered male, even if she does not show her dog.

There is nothing to say the dog is sound. Registration means squat unless there is evidence of quality breeding in the lines.

Not all breeders that show are responsible but every responsible breeder shows, proves, and competes with their dog in one sport or another.

In other words every responsible breeder titles their dogs.

Lots of show dogs get bred with the intention of producing show quality pups and the ones that don't fit go to pet homes.

There is a big difference in breeding with the goal of improving the breed and breeding to make pet puppies in an already crowded canine world.

Sometimes ones that do fit still go to pet homes.

There is a difference in a reputable breeder that decides the best suited home for a show potential pup is a pet home and someone who is not active in the canine world breeding their pet.

 

[Tinaweena]

And here I thought we would get away with a simply helpful, and informative thread.
Come on guys....she's here for help, not to be givin the 3rd degree. Take it elsewhere.

 

[LabBreeder]

All of these questions, innocent or not, are probably making the OP very uncomfortable. There is no need for the third degree, repeated questioning. The point is: The chi is pregnant and expecting any day now and the OP is looking for support and a few answers...not an interogation.

JMO though.

 

[lakotasong]

If some of you want to sit by quietly while someone breeds irresponsibly, that's your decision. I've euthanized too many dogs to be able to sit quietly and ignore that fact.

 

[Saje]

If some of you want to sit by quietly while someone breeds irresponsibly, that's your decision. I've euthanized too many dogs to be able to sit quietly and ignore that fact.

Not everyone has the experience you do. If you want people to learn you might want to think about your approach.

 

[lakotasong]

Saje,

In this case, the damage is already done. The bitch is too far along to spay. I've done public education for years online and off. There are times for sugar-coated sweetness and there are times when being blunt is called for. The damage is done here, and IMO this woman needs to strongly reconsider how she is going to place her puppies and what she is going to do with her bitch in the future.

 

[Mach1girl]

Give me a freakin break.

If she wanted to come on here and ask questions with breeding in the back of her mind, she would have and you all could have made her uncomfortable back then and possibly either 1.made her mad enough to leave or 2. dropped the breeding idea, then fine, but the damage is done. Now she is sitting here with a dog DUE to have puppies, worrying about everything, missing work, etc, and you wanna know WHY she bred her pet!!!TOO LATE FOLKS!

Preach elsewhere!

Also, YES a contract does hold up in a court of law. Before and after each clause (ie:Owner will spay/nueter if proven nt used for show or work) ADD THE PHRASE"BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING" AND "bOTH PARTIES AGREE TO THE ABOVE CLAUSE"

mAKE SURE THAT IS THERE A HUNDRED TIMES. this IS WHAT HOLDS THE CONTRACT UP IN COURT.

 

[Saje]

Saje,

In this case, the damage is already done. The bitch is too far along to spay. I've done public education for years online and off. There are times for sugar-coated sweetness and there are times when being blunt is called for. The damage is done here, and IMO this woman needs to strongly reconsider how she is going to place her puppies and what she is going to do with her bitch in the future.

In your opinion. I happen to agree but you still need to reconsider your approach. All you do is attack and drill members in the breeding forum. We want people to stick around so we can help them and hopefully they will learn more about ethical breeding. You aren't going to help anyone or their dogs if you chase them away.

 

[JennSLK]

In this case, the damage is already done.

EXACTLY!!!

It's to late to convince her to spay and not breed. She's here for our help because she wants it to go smoothly.

Your scaring her off when she wants help so her bitch doesnt die from complications and here you are giving her the 3rd degree.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Needless to say she bred her dog...and now wants help. And I for one along with many other people in this forum are wanting to help her. Even if you are mad about her breeding her dog summitview at least she is asking for help. There are a ton of people out there that breed their dogs for money and don't give a crap where they go. She does. She's a hell of a lot better than a lot of other breeders I have seen. And like I said at the beginning of this post....ALL BREEDERS...EVEN REPUTABLE ONES STARTED SOMEWHERE.

 

[Serena]

I know on this forum and numerous others it is not uncommon for questions on why someone chose to breed to arise especially after the words "I bred my pet" are posted...

What makes this case different?

Does the fact that the Chi is expecting to pop any second now somehow make the breeding excusable or justifiable?

The breeding may be done and it is defiantely to too late to talk spay/neuter but that does not mean the ethics in breeding need to be or should be brushed aside.

In regards to the OP's fear of something happening to her dog.

It is too late to be asking for advice on what to expect and having questions about what is happening.

I can certainly understand her being nervous and just wanting someone to "talk" to help with the feelings and looking for a supportive ear...

But coming for a last minute education crash course in whelping is a whole nother story.

This is knowledge she should already have and if she was not clear on something it should have been discussed long before this moment arose.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

ChiBree............Your still here right?
How is she doing?

 

[lakotasong]

ALL BREEDERS...EVEN REPUTABLE ONES STARTED SOMEWHERE.

You don't start by breeding right off the bat. You get mentors, you learn. You wait to purchase dogs. You don't start by breeding, crossing your fingers, and learning by trial and error.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

But coming for a last minute education crash course in whelping is a whole nother story.

This is knowledge she should already have and if she was not clear on something it should have been discussed long before this moment arose.

Can i just ask something?
Not only to you Serena but this is aimed at most of the woman here.

I assume that many of us are Mothers right?

Ok, i studied Child Development at School, i then read every book and watched every video i could find when me and Hubby decided to try for a baby.

I **** well know that when it came to "That time" i was petrified and started asking anyone and everyone, everything that i already knew!

See what i am saying?

This is not a "Crash Course"! She is worried and just wants reassurance thats all

 

[Mach1girl]

I know on this forum and numerous others it is not uncommon for questions on why someone chose to breed to arise especially after the words "I bred my pet" are posted...

What makes this case different?

Does the fact that the Chi is expecting to pop any second now somehow make the breeding excusable or justifiable?

The breeding may be done and it is defiantely to too late to talk spay/neuter but that does not mean the ethics in breeding need to be or should be brushed aside.

In regards to the OP's fear of something happening to her dog.

It is too late to be asking for advice on what to expect and having questions about what is happening.

I can certainly understand her being nervous and just wanting someone to "talk" to help with the feelings and looking for a supportive ear...

But coming for a last minute education crash course in whelping is a whole nother story.

This is knowledge she should already have and if she was not clear on something it should have been discussed long before this moment arose.

There is a difference.....between questions arising, and being badgered by "Why are you ignoring my questions??"

Yes, the damage is done, and at this moment, she needs help and assistance and knowledge. After the pups, send her a pm asking if she realizes this or that......That is how we stay on topic for one, and arguments get avoided if done this way.

I too,(Im sure every1 remembers) came here the same exact way. I was badgered as well, but this was before whelping. I learned my lesson.

MAYBE a litter happens to some people for a reason! Ever think of that people??I too wanted to be a breeder, right from the beginning years ago, but the one litter changed my mind. With alittle guidance and understanding, everything turned out just fine.

We dont ask for suger coat anything, just help when we need it, and if you are against help because you are against the reason, then shut up!(not you personally-all YOU's are meant towrds the general public!!!)

Anyway, I wanna see some puppy pics!

 

[Serena]

Can i just ask something?
Not only to you Serena but this is aimed at most of the woman here.

I assume that many of us are Mothers right?

Ok, i studied Child Development at School, i then read every book and watched every video i could find when me and Hubby decided to try for a baby.

I **** well know that when it came to "That time" i was petrified and started asking anyone and everyone, everything that i already knew!

See what i am saying?

This is not a "Crash Course"! She is worried and just wants reassurance thats all

There is a big difference in seeking reassurance and seeking answers.

Many things in the OP's post throw up huge red flags that say she did not take the time to properly learn and is now scramling with last minute information that she is seeking verification on.

Two comments in this thread stand out in my mind.

The one where the OP said she had been preparing for the whole 62 days, that really concerns me because there should have been much more planning and research than that.

The post where the OP said their vet told them to wait for four hours of hard labor before bringing the bitch in...that is a huge red flag. Knowing to bring a struggling bitch in after an hour max is basic knowledge. If the OP took time to properly research breeding right then and there she should have been seeking a new vet.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

There is a big difference in seeking reassurance and seeking answers.

Many things in the OP's post throw up huge red flags that say she did not take the time to properly learn and is now scramling with last minute information that she is seeking verification on.

Two comments in this thread stand out in my mind.

The one where the OP said she had been preparing for the whole 62 days, that really concerns me because there should have been much more planning and research than that.

The post where the OP said their vet told them to wait for four hours of hard labor before bringing the bitch in...that is a huge red flag. Knowing to bring a struggling bitch in after an hour max is basic knowledge. If the OP took time to properly research breeding right then and there she should have been seeking a new vet.

I see what your saying Serena, but she also needs reassurance and i haven't seen her post in quite a while.
She is being scared away and her and that Chi need all the help and advice they can get right now

 

[Angel Chicken]

Serena and Summit,

Looks, there is no reason for you to harp this poor girl over a litter of puppies. She is looking for help, not looking to be griped at and harped to by the breeding police.

It looks like ya'll have run her off. Sheesh... be nice, would you?

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

I see what your saying Serena, but she also needs reassurance and i haven't seen her post in quite a while.
She is being scared away and her and that Chi need all the help and advice they can get right now

I also just wanted to add to this..........Would you rather see those puppies dead b/c of your beliefs in the way breeding should be done?
I mean if she doesn't come back then who knows??

 

[lakotasong]

There are worse things than death. Being bred with health problems and sold into a home that wasn't properly screened where they will be bred to death themselves is one of them. Not saying this is going to happen to these individual puppies, but it's always a possibility when someone isn't properly educated and experienced.