new breeder advice please

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  1. telestar_1

    telestar_1 New Member

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    Hi i recently got a cavalier king charles spaniel he is now about 10 months old

    he is in my eyes perfect!! and i was reading up on them and he has they sought after "blenihiem spot" on his head

    me and wife were thinking of maybey taking our first crack at having puppies
    can someone point me to the right reading so i can learn and be educated befor ei decide to take this on

    also does anyone know if the female king charles schould also have the "SPOT" if i looking to have pups with the spot

    and advice would be great i never have bred any dogs before


    nick
     
  2. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    Markings are one of the LAST things that should be considered when breeding dogs. If you are interested in breeding him solely because of his desirable markings I would stop and seriously get an idea of what breeding responsibly is all about.

    I would suggest having your dog's structure and general conformation evaluated by an experienced, ethical breeder. (or two or three.) If they believe your dog has the "right stuff" and could add something of value to the breed, I would go on to show and finish him.
    Then BEFORE breeding, do extensive health testing. Heart problems in particular are VERY common in Cavaliers (I am not sure exactly what tends to affect them.) so you will want to not only test HIM and make sure he is free of any problems, but research his pedigree and make sure that his ancestors were not known carriers of those problems either.
    I would also wait quite a bit longer to breed him. There is no rush to breed a dog at 2 years of age, male dogs can breed at a far older age than most females.

    But as for the spot on the top of the head (I know this is a particularly prized marking in Cavs.) I would not breed for that and I would be wary of a breeder who was breeding dogs based on markings. I would recommend getting in touch with a responsible, ethical breeder of Cavaliers and having them mentor you if you are truly serious about breeding these dogs for the good of the breed, and not for monetary gain. (And most people here will be able to tell you that it's VERY hard to make money breeding dogs.)

    Best of luck!
     
  3. Purr

    Purr ~3 Mutts~

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    Rip said it perfectly. Everything I would've said, and more. She is absolutley right; you can't make money breeding dogs, unless you want to start a puppy mill, which is disgusting, and no honest dog lover would do. Breeding should be done soley out of your love for the breed.
     
  4. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Check out the Responsible Breeder Checklist that's stickied at the top of this forum.
     
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    pitbulliest New Member

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    In a dog owner's eyes...their dog is always perfect..but this doesn't mean that it is...have you even had the pup thoroughly health tested? Just because its cute, it doesn't mean you can take a first "crack" at breeding the dog...please leave breeding to the experts..there are too many BYB breeders around that are just expanding the homeless dog population...be kind and spay/neuter your dog.
     
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    Amen!!!!
     
  7. Mordy

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    i've posted it to another thread where someone was asking about info on breeding. just make sure you are well aware of all the risks and have an experienced, responsible breeder as a mentor. it's nothing you'd want to do without a lot of soul searching and someone who will be willing to give you guidance every step of the way.

    http://www.bluegrace.com/virtualbreeding.html
     
  8. Rose's Gal

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    Well, here or some questions for you.

    Do you show your dog? If so, has it obtained a champion title?
    Do you compete in any other sports with your dog?
    Is your dog health tested? Not just the regular check up from the vet, but the genetic health of your dog. (Like CERF certificates and anything else a Cav might need.) Have you tested it for heart problems that Caves often have?
    Where did you get your dog? Does it come from good lines?
    What would you do if the b!tch has problems during the birth?
    What would you do if you can't find homes for the puppies?

    If you are interested in breeding, I suggest that you find a reputable Cave breeder and ask their advice. They would be a better mentor than all of us put together, because they would have experience with the breed, and would know all about your dogs faults and if he is breeding quality. I'd check out www.akc.org for the Cave breed standard and see if your dog measures up. If not, then don't breed him.
     
  9. Love4Pits

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    I am a Dog breeder of Siberian Huskies and Chins. And to tell you the truth is is an expensive lifestyle. I only breed two dogs a year and sometimes only one and also one ***** is only bred 3 times in her life time. All of my pups have homes before their even conceived and born and a contract stating i MUST have contact with the pups new family through out atleast the first year of life so if there are any problems i can help. My contract also stats that once of age the pups must be spayed and or neutered and the documents proving so must be supplied to me or i will confinscate the pup and have it fixed myself or if theres a problem I will refund their money spent on there pup. Also each and every pup i sell if not doing well with their new family must be returned to me and not a shelter or family friend.

    When the breeding is down I first off have the ***** and dog vet checked to make sure hips and other possible pyhisical problems are in check. If either not has so much as a small problem or is'nt perfect it is'nt bred and is spayed or neutered right there or asap. This is expensive and a seriouse thing. When the ***** is in eat i breed them 4 times through her heat cycle the breeding dogs are not left alone for one minute one second nope nada. Once her heat cycle is finnished the ***** is tested and sonogramed to see if breeding is successful (this is expensive as well).

    If it is confirmed the ***** is pregnant there are constant check ups and special diet the pregnant dog goes on. During this time im putting the welping bed together with a heating lamp and doggy first aid and lots of towls on hand. When it comes time for the pups i ALWAYS have someone stay with me so i am not alone if there is a problem i also have the vets number on hand and am about 20 minutes from the vet. When puppies are born you have to be prepared for the worst for example still borns, physically handicapped pups, green pups, and a dieing mum. I havent had any of this happen to me yet but have seen it happen in the past and its not pleasent.

    Also be prepared for mum maybe to not accept the pups (or if mum passes on) you will be hand raising these pups are ready for that? I responsible breeder will also social with the pups and take them for their first shots and used to eating healthy foods. This all costs tons of money.

    In all the money you make from selling the pups will not make up for all the money you put into it if you do it responsibly.

    Don't do it you don't sound in anyway prepared for this. PLease leave it to the professionals and responsible breeders like myself. We have the time, money, and facilities to do it right.

    Please please rethink this.
     
  10. telestar_1

    telestar_1 New Member

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    thank u very much for the info i now have some thinking to do.
     
  11. bubbatd

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    Please do some deep thinking....Get a full pedigree of your dog, do all the testing advised, figure out where you're going to find a GOOD dam...with full papers and testing. Decide if you want a stud fee or pick of the litter. Let us know 2 years from now what you decided.
     

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