Native American Indian Dog?

Discussion in 'The Dog Breeds' started by UpTheIrons, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. UpTheIrons

    UpTheIrons New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Occupation:
    Chloe the Dog; PippaSqueak the Cat; Honeymoon the
    Location:
    Jersey
    Curious if anyone has experience with this breed? (if it is indeed a breed..?:confused:) I have never met one, nor even heard anyone talk about them. But, I am quite interested in this dog which they claim to be a native american indian dog. Id love to hear any information/experience you all have with the breed.

    Oh, and here is the link to her petfinder page. Isnt she a beauty? Sounds like she has a winning personality as well! I am considering going down to meet her:D
    http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/21547753
     
  2. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    They live forever, like 17-20 years, ime. Other than longevity they don't seem to have a breed type or standard. I have met a few, years ago in Oregon, and they were very nice dogs but again, I'm not sure there is any breed type being bred for.

    That's all I have.
     
  3. Aleron

    Aleron New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    several
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Home Page:
    The founder of that breed is not anyone I'd ever suggest buying a dog from. She's not honest about her dogs, not honest to puppy buyers and not honest to other breeders. She's a commercial "designer dog" breeder - she not only has these "Native American Indian Dogs" (which, with a bit of research you find out were created using wolf hybrids and are not as the breeder claims they are behavior wise) but she has "designer mixes" using NAIDs and other breeds. She has NAID x Sibes, NAID x Canaan Dog and what started my discussion with her, NAID x Belgian. I emailed back and forth with her for several weeks, posing as a potential buyer to figure out who she got the Belgian from. And turns out, she bought the dog as a non-breeding dog, on a limited registration/non-breeding agreement from a breeder who had no idea she commercially bred "designer dogs". She told me that if the dog's breeder knew she was using the dog for breeding "designer dogs" she'd probably have a fit - pretty much readily admitted that she was not honest when she bought the dog. Then she was pretty clear that she really didn't like the dog saying she thought that NAID x Belgian mixes would be beautiful and would be "a huge improvement on the stupid, barking Belgian". From what I can gather from her website, she is has a lot of dogs and while she has a nice kennel set up for them, they are all kennel dogs. NAIDs and the mixes of them are very obviously bred just for looks. Supposedly, all breeders of them have to be approved or something by the founder. I known when I talked to her, she often sold already altered puppies.

    This is the founder's website:
    http://www.majesticview1.com/index.html

    And FWIW I don't think the dog on petfinder looks like a NAID. But who knows, since they are all different sizes and looks and other breeds are still being added to them.

    Are you sure you aren't thinking of American Indian Dogs? The founder of them lives in Oregon. http://www.indiandogs.com/
     
  4. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    Ahhhh, yes, you're right. I read this on my phone half awake this morning. Thanks, that's what I meant!
     
  5. UpTheIrons

    UpTheIrons New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Occupation:
    Chloe the Dog; PippaSqueak the Cat; Honeymoon the
    Location:
    Jersey
    Thank you Aleron! Really interesting post. When I did a bit of research on them, I figured they were a "designer" breed, since she just looked like a mix to me. I have no interest in purchasing one from a breeder especially THAT breeder;) I thought the dog just looked like a GSD/Husky mix. Do you see any wolf in her?

    EDIT: I am so DISGUSTED by what I've read about these NAID breeders. Ive been looking at their websites, and reading horrific stories about people who purchased dogs from her. From what I read, their personalities are basically that of a wolfdog. Destructive, sensitive to their surroundings, practically impossible to train..
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2011
  6. Aleron

    Aleron New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    several
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Home Page:
    Honestly, the dog on Petfinder just looks like a GSD/Sibe to me. Who knows. Maybe she is supposedly one. Or it could be a case of someone getting or finding a mixed breed puppy, seeing a dog that was supposedly a NAID and saying "Oh that must be what our dog is because she looks just like one!". Just because the owners said she was a NAID doesn't mean they bought her as such. Or maybe she's a "Sibercaan" from this breeder, which is why she doesn't look so much like the NAIDs.

    Yeah it doesn't take much looking to find story after story of people who purchased NAIDs and the dogs were not behaviorally anything like what they expected or were led to believe they would be. I came across a rather horrific story about what happened with her original breeding stock, which were hybrids but I will not repeat it here, as I don't know if it's true or not.

    In talking to her though, I can say I was rather shocked at how readily she admitted to me, a total stranger that she got the Belgian by being dishonest with the dog's breeder. And now that dog is listed on her for sale...oh I'm sorry "Adoption" page for $2000 intact or $850 spayed. The dog is listed as a Native American Shepherd and listing her "registered name" as Majestic View's Black Velvet Rain. First, it's dishonest to say she's a NAS because she's a purebred, registered Belgian Sheepdog. And second, she did not breed her and her actual registered name does not include the Majectic View kennel name. http://www.indiandogs4u.com/Available%20for%20Adoption.htm

    Also got to love her description of the NASs:

    "Indian Dogs 4 U is pleased to announce the creation of a new hybrid - designer dog...

    The Native American Shepherd

    registered with the "Designer Breed Registry" (DBR), by combining the Belgium Sheepdog (aka the Dutch Shepherd) and the Native American Indian Dog(R). Indian Dogs 4 U has created another wonderful, friendly, outgoing, happy-go-lucky... and…Yes, Hypoallergenic! dog breed." http://www.indiandogs4u.com/NAS/the_native_american_shep.htm

    Not sure exactly how mixing a Belgian (not aka a Dutch Shepherd BTW) with a nordic breed x wolf cross would get you a friendly, outgoing, happy-go-lucky dog. And hypoallergenic? All in just one generation!
     
  7. MicksMom

    MicksMom Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2007
    Messages:
    3,978
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    1 furry
    Location:
    Warren Co, NJ
    The first thing I thought of when I looked at her pictures is she is a GSD/Sibe mix. Unfortunately, some shelters and rescues slap designer or rare breeds on dogs just to get them adopted. And, honestly, chances are better that she's a GSD/Sibe mix than something more uncommon.
     
  8. SaraB

    SaraB New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    5,798
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    :eek: Wow.
     
  9. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2008
    Messages:
    2,115
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    1 dog, 1 guinea pig, 1 hamster, 1 American toad, 1
    Location:
    Illinois
    Oh... oh my God. I don't even...:eek:
     
  10. UpTheIrons

    UpTheIrons New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Occupation:
    Chloe the Dog; PippaSqueak the Cat; Honeymoon the
    Location:
    Jersey
    :yikes: I have no words. Not to mention she won "Woman of the Year in Business" in 2008...
     
  11. Melanie1

    Melanie1 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2014
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My bad experience with NAID breeder

    Money, money, money and scams

    2 breeders to avoid absolutely: Happy Bend Kennel & Majestic Views kennels .
     

Share This Page