Myths about spaying and neutering benefits

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  1. ufimych

    ufimych New Member

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    Dekka Just try me..

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    you know.. first off if you actually READ this forum you would know there are lots of us out here who are NOT fans of just removing mulit functional organs for no reason...

    BUT to say they are less interesting is a HUGE insult... and fallacy. Snip is a lot more interesting now that he has been fixed. AND it hasn't decreased his prey drive one whit. He still wants to hunt just as bad.
     
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    I still get a bad feeling about this poster. Troll? Such out there posts to get everybody all wound up.
     
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    Dekka, thank you for noticing it. There is a lot of politics here. Look here:
    Secret extremist agenda: To outlaw dogs as pets, says spay/neuter law critic - OC Watchdog - OCRegister.com
    Let leave the political side of brainwashing by animal rightnicks. Here is my observation. Many years ago, I had my first West Siberian Laika female. Our house was not far from the lake, a recreational area open to dog owners. People walked their dogs near the lake. Many of those dogs, if turned loose, run near our house and I watched natural behavior of my female dog. She was territorial and she met not friendly every dog coming close, except most beautiful and always intact males. Females were most likely to be attacked and chased away, no matter what size or breed. Some of those dogs were spayed or neutered. If it was the male, she would fight him, like he would be a female. If female, she was less aggravated. I watched this behavior with great interest and cannot forget it. When I run to the "rescue" of the intruder, I asked the owner about his dog, was it intact, or not? I always keep only intact dogs, regardless, do I have them for breeding or not for breeding. Natural way of keeping dogs means keeping intact dogs. In our society, every dogs is required to learn a lot of "DON'Ts". Inactive, lethargic dogs are more convenient to keep in overcrowded environment. Unfortunately, selection for most convenient to handle and control dog inadvertently favors selection in favor of less healthy dogs. Add here inbreeding for show winning and you will understand why we have so many problems with purebreds today.
    My observations on behavior of my female Laika showed, that spayed or neutered dogs were less likely to be beaten by another dog, perhaps, because they had no gender.
     
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    Do you have bad feelings about me? Stay away. You want to tell I am bad, so I would tell you I am good. Instead, I will continue to discuss the dogs. Established dogmas and brainwashing block using your own brains. This is a question of taste. I am promoting "green" dogs and "green" ways of keeping and caring of them.
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    There could be breed bias there. I have some intact some fixed dogs. Now I would never do young s/n... but our BC who is crazy drivey.. I mean over the top even by sporter collie standards didn't slow down with neutering. Snip was fixed at 3... no lethargy there. Dekka.. well its to early to tell she has only been fixed for 5 weeks now and has always been a very low key JRT (except if there are critters to get, agility to run, or a dock to jump off of)

    My concern is more medical.

    My dogs who are fixed are done so for my convience. Dekka had an unerring talent to come into heat right before large/important trials. Now that I have my one litter from her she doesn't need to mess up my plans anymore lol. Snip wanted to eat every male dog who came onto our property. He has mild allergies, combo of which made me not want to breed from him. I fixed him in the hopes of it lowering his fight drive.. and it has.. a little bit.

    Kaiden is intact, i can't see wanting to breed from him.. but he is no issue to live with so he gets to keep his parts. The whippets have their parts too.. and will get to keep them as they are pretty low issue.
     
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    Three of our dobes are neuterd as well, because they live in the house together. Fixed is the only way male dobes can live together in peace without killing each other. There are many different reasons for spay/neuter, usualy for the best when it is done.
     
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    ah yes. Luce is desperately uninteresting. :rofl1:

    Good Lord. Get out of my dogs' pants.
     
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    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    at first, I thought it was a language barrier or something.. but honestly, I just think this OP just likes nsulting anybody that owns dogs that isn't just like him

    once again, get off your high horse. your dogs are NO BETTER than anybody elses.
     
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    THANK YOU!! He/She only talks about his personal dogs. We all have dogs and talk about each others dogs, and try to help with each others dogs. I guess his are the only ones on worth anything? This is exactly what I have been saying about this poster all along!
     
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    I will have to severely disagree with the assertion that fixed dogs are "less interesting". in most cases, I find them almost more interesting, though in some cases "interesting" means "annoying". LOL.

    Sawyer was neutered at 18 months and is fit as a fiddle now at 5 1/2. My foster Lab was in great shape as well and she was spayed at some point before I got her.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Ozzy is definitely more interesting than most intact dogs I know. :p

    Seriously, I dare you to spend an hour with this dog and say he's uninteresting compared to an intact dog.
     
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    Auggie almost certainly would have developed cancer if I didn't remove the cryptorchid testicle.
    I think my dog is far more interesting alive than dead.
     
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    Lets push him off Fran! :D
     
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    I can't help but remember what Dekka said in the last thread that the OP started, something like "there is no debate."

    It's the same here. He posts something really offensive, and its not for any point. He's NOT saying, "Hey guys, I've heard that s/n isn't all perfect. How do you feel?"

    He's saying that your dogs are substandard because they are s/n and we all know that's a bunch of bull****.

    Personally, if I wasn't going to show, I'd totally neuter my future puppy after a year or two and he'd grown up and matured.

    It's so much easier, IMHO, to have a s/n animal.

    As for the health benefits, there are both sides to that one. I've seen what s/n too early can do to the structure of a dog. I've also seen what not spaying can do when people aren't responsible enough to handle it.

    The pounds are full of the latter reason. That's not even mentioning all the STDs that dogs can catch from each other.
     
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    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Define less interesting first.

    Then I'll add my opinion on that.

    As for spaying - I don't want to deal with MY periods every month, never mind my dogs.

    I don't want to keep her shut away or change my plans because she's in season, and she doesn't want to be shut in.

    I fail to see how these are not benefits both for me AND my dog.
     
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    :rofl1: Me either.... and honestly, some days I wish *I* could go get "fixed" LOL

    As for keeping them shut away, that is a good point.... My dogs sleep with me, travel with me, and are a part of our everyday life... Mindy never has that change since she was spayed, Di however, is still intact for medical reasons, and has to spend far more time in a crate than she or I like during her season...
    If she'd leave the "panties" on that would help... but she won't.. How upsetting it must be for her when she spends 355 nights in our bed, and twice a year for about 5 nights at least, during the worst of the bleeding, she must sleep in a crate...
     
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    Ditto!!!!!
     
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    Convenience is the only serious reason in favor of spying or neutering. However, arguments in favor of desexing dogs are driven by ideology and propaganda. Science always honest, if it is a true hard science. Look here: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf

    Dogs are individuals and removal of any part of body, especially, reproductive organs, changes them irreversibly. For active dog users it matters. Many of us keep dogs not just as pets, but rather for enjoyment of dog watching in action. For example, you do not need to be not a consumptive hunter to enjoy open field coursing, sledding or herding activity of dogs of your breed. Even dog fights is an important part of their natural interactions. I do not mean pit fights, which are disgusting. I mean fights over a reason, not to death, but fights over female in heat, defending the food, protecting the master, dominance in the pack, etc. Normal dogs do not fight to death. When I selecting a puppy out of a litter, I always watch for the most competitive one, because I like dominant dogs capable to fight well, if necessary. Sheep guarding dogs must fight stray dogs, foxes and wolves attacking sheep. Lead dog in dog sledding team usually left intact and, if you are a breeder, or think about breeding as a possibility, you know that spayed or neutered dogs are lost for this purpose.
     

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