My puppy is home

[Manchesters]

Yes Manchester, the hips have been checked. I find your statements insulting about these dogs lineage. Would you look at a picture of my daughter and tell me that her hair was red so obviously she had poor breeding? Because that is basically what you are saying by insulting a person's new baby...

MANY red chows start brindle. Look it up on the internet.

I do believe the entire point of the thread was to share the joy of having a new puppy. I realize you are not trying to be combative, but you are coming across poorly and taken some of the joy of sharing.

No, I am not being combative. And NO, most Chows do not start life out brindle. I am not insulting anyone. I wrote what Sarah dictated, and she has forgotten more about Chows than anyone around here could live to know!! Do the words TOP BREEDER have any import??? How about 40 home bred champions?????? Yes, you most certainly can tell by a puppy's color what quality of bloodline it comes from---in evidence I offer the lovely WHITE DOBERMAN. Nobody who knows anything about breeding breeds dogs from a line with an obvious disqualification/fault as brindle in a Chow.

All I said of MY OWN words was that I had never seen a pure brindle Chow and called Sarah to see if she had ever heard or seen such a thing. If you would like her email addy, she said I could give it to you or Becca or Kitcat. Your sister is NOT a breeder. Otherwise, her two dogs would be set up for spay/neuter surgery as soon as possible.

It costs as much to raise a quality dog as it does to raise one of lesser quality. It seems that Tracy has not been schooled in the facts concerning Chows. If she wants to know all she will ever need to know about raising, training, temperament and such, she would be delighted with what Sarah can teach her. Those here who like Chows have the golden opportunity of having a guru available to them.

And not only that, but Sarah is not breeding anymore, and is NOT in the market looking for people to sell puppies to. Plus no one here could afford one of her puppies, rofl.

I personally feel that there is a big difference between being a "Breeder" and being a "Puppy Producer". Breeding takes years of education and exposure to the breed. There will always be backyard breeders who might fool us into thinking they are someone worth listening to, and emulating..........BUT you can recognize them, because if they sell you a pet puppy, you won't get papers until you show them proof the pup has been neutered! And what they consider show quality puppies will start at about $1500 up to about $3000!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus, Sarah is attempting to recover from horrid back surgery, and would probably enjoying having someone to talk to to take her mind off the pain!!

The majority of my dogs would not burn down the show ring---but I love them anyway, and they are spoiled beyond rotten. And any of the few puppies I did sell over the years were sold as pets at a very reasonable price in spite of the rarity of the breed.

I just hate to see someone who has been so looking forward to getting a puppy......and then they get it and post a picture and it is one big glaring disqualification!!!!!! Tracy should have been given this pup just for giving it a good loving home. Now of course that is my own opinion.

And please realize that there are just some things that cannot be written out and come across in a non-confrontational way. I sent Sarah the link to the page here, and when she saw Leo, she said "NO way-----that dog is brindle, period!" It ain't gonna change color!

I am exhausted. Was out weedwacking in 92 degree temps. Must go slack off for a while.

 

[Manchesters]

Cute Pups

Yes Manchester, the hips have been checked. I find your statements insulting about these dogs lineage. Would you look at a picture of my daughter and tell me that her hair was red so obviously she had poor breeding? Because that is basically what you are saying by insulting a person's new baby...

MANY red chows start brindle. Look it up on the internet.

I do believe the entire point of the thread was to share the joy of having a new puppy. I realize you are not trying to be combative, but you are coming across poorly and taken some of the joy of sharing.

Yes, they are cute puppies. All puppies are adorable. But as a breeder and dog lover, and being aware of the number of dogs killed in this country every year the thought of another pet litter of pups does not thrill my heart.

 

[jsnider]

You are by far the rudest and most ignorant witch I have ever had the dishonor of coming across.

I will be resigning from this board as I am disgusted that they would allow such a person as yourself to perpetuate such ignorance, and you obviously haven't ACTUALLY read ANY of the posts, but were just using it as a forum for your know it all attitude as you have done on all the other posts that I have read your writing on.

No one here said they were planning on breeding their chow. No one here said they were planning on showing their chow.

 

[Manchesters]

Well, Excuse Me..........

You are by far the rudest and most ignorant witch I have ever had the dishonor of coming across.

I will be resigning from this board as I am disgusted that they would allow such a person as yourself to perpetuate such ignorance, and you obviously haven't ACTUALLY read ANY of the posts, but were just using it as a forum for your know it all attitude as you have done on all the other posts that I have read your writing on.

No one here said they were planning on breeding their chow. No one here said they were planning on showing their chow.

For having an opinion and making the mistake of expressing it. Statements were made about brindle Chows turning red. That is a LIE. Tracy commented about showing Leo. That is not possible. And it was not MY know it all attitude. I don't claim to know squat about Chows.....it was the attitude of my friend WHO DOES KNOW IT ALL ABOUT CHOWS!!!

And can the melodrama. Just put me on ignore, silly! Oh, and you misspelled it-----I am a b!tch, not a witch......roflmbo.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

Leo is very cute! What a fuzzball!

 

[Dakotah_2009]

Awww how cute! That color on him is amazing! I've NEVER seen a Chow that color before, I love it!

 

[Old Dog]

He is brindle. The gene is like the gene that makes dogs have spots or black and tan markings like dobes. Coat color can be anything. There is an array of color in brindling ie boxers,bulldogs,mastifs,danes ect. This is a disqualifying coat pattern in chows. But what differance does it make. He is adorable and just think you won't see another one like him unless he has litter mates that color so he is unique and love him for himself. He has a heck of a coat so you will have fun brushing all that hair and might I suggest you get started now so he gets use to it. Good luck with the pup he is a cutie. No red chows are not all born that color or that color at all. Sorry. FYI

 

[kitcatak]

Ok....

Let me say a few things here. I did not get Leo has a "Novelty". I got him as an addition to my family. I could care less if he was pink with purple polka dots. Everywhere I take him, people comment on his beautiful colors. I met a lady that used to breed & show Chows and she told me she thought he would be "chocolate". Occording to everything I have read (and that is extensive) on Chows, there are only 5 colors and "chocolate" & "brindle" are not included in those 5. I never even HEARD the term brindle until about a month ago, so this is new.

I never intended to breed Leo. I have no desire to have an unaltered male Chow attitude in my house around my children. I also never intended on showing him. Too much work, not enough time. The statement I made was a JOKE. I have read that there are NO BRINDLE CHOWS, therefore, he is unique and should be worth a fortune, right? Like an albino wolf or moose or rhino. See the joke? HA - HA

Leo had 3 litter mates. They are all black, as is there father. Their mother is cream.

I posted this thread to share in the joy of our new addition. This is a site for dogs and their owners. There are not a lot of Chow owners on here (or many that are brave enough to post!) There are many dog breeds and mixes on here and I thought I could share my Chow so more people can become familiar with them. I feel this post took a wrong turn and a few people need to learn that it isn't WHAT you say, but HOW you say it (or type it for that matter!). I will NOT be leaving anytime soon and intend on subjecting you all to my "Non-qualifying" Chow's antics as he grows to the lovely, rare looking Chow he will become.

Thanks for the "brindle" lesson!

 

[pig ears!]

Chow Chows look like little bears. Very cute! What a cute puppy! I just want to eat him--well, hug him and stuff. ^^

 

[Manchesters]

Very Glad!

Let me say a few things here. I did not get Leo has a "Novelty". I got him as an addition to my family. I could care less if he was pink with purple polka dots. Everywhere I take him, people comment on his beautiful colors. I met a lady that used to breed & show Chows and she told me she thought he would be "chocolate". Occording to everything I have read (and that is extensive) on Chows, there are only 5 colors and "chocolate" & "brindle" are not included in those 5. I never even HEARD the term brindle until about a month ago, so this is new.

I never intended to breed Leo. I have no desire to have an unaltered male Chow attitude in my house around my children. I also never intended on showing him. Too much work, not enough time. The statement I made was a JOKE. I have read that there are NO BRINDLE CHOWS, therefore, he is unique and should be worth a fortune, right? Like an albino wolf or moose or rhino. See the joke? HA - HA

Leo had 3 litter mates. They are all black, as is there father. Their mother is cream.

I posted this thread to share in the joy of our new addition. This is a site for dogs and their owners. There are not a lot of Chow owners on here (or many that are brave enough to post!) There are many dog breeds and mixes on here and I thought I could share my Chow so more people can become familiar with them. I feel this post took a wrong turn and a few people need to learn that it isn't WHAT you say, but HOW you say it (or type it for that matter!). I will NOT be leaving anytime soon and intend on subjecting you all to my "Non-qualifying" Chow's antics as he grows to the lovely, rare looking Chow he will become.

Thanks for the "brindle" lesson!

I am glad to read the above! What you must bear in mind tho is that there are many BYB that try to take advantage of people such as yourself by selling you a dog like Leo and telling you that it will be a red Chow, etc, etc, etc. There is no way of us knowing if you have been duped or taken advantage of.

Of course I could not care less if the dog has 3 heads and 10 legs. But if someone has screwed a puppy buyer, and tried to take advantage of a buyer's "Innocence" then I get ticked off. And there are really no way to come right out and asked someone that question, so in the process of trying to "beat around the bush" you get lies from someone who says her sister bred the litter and about the stellar pedigree etc.

I guess the answer is "screw it". If people get duped, pay money for something that they shouldn't have to, or get made a fool of telling people that their dog is really a red in drag.....then that is their right. There is no earthly reason I should give a flip about trying to protect people from getting shafted.....it is too easy for that concern to be misunderstood, and to be taken as being a meanie.

Compared to what is going on in New Orleans, this is all bullsheet anyway. Life is too short to waste time on those who rather call names and start fights (NOT YOU, TRACY---some others around here)

And yes, there are only 5 ALLOWED colors in Chows. So what? Leo was not, as you said, gotten for show or breeding. Love has no color! And Sarah was not aware of any particular health problems with brindle coloring in Chows. So ya'll should have a long, happy life together. I sure hope so!!!!! And I am sure Sarah will be happy to answer any questions you might have as time goes by!!! And please do believe me when I say that I was not trying to be a kill joy---just trying to make sure no one had shafted you. As tho that were even my business!!!

 

[keyodie]

Hey, Manchesters, maybe you shouldn't even post in this thread because you are ruining my joy for kitcatak. Just a suggestion.

He is so cute!!! I love his coat!!

edit: grr I am always the first to post on a new page!!!!!

 

[avenlee]

Me too Keyodie. I always start a new page too! Manchester, you got yourself in the middle of a debate again ... lol From what I've read, they got their Chows from their sister's litter, so I don't think you have to be worried of them being shafted. Maybe move your efforts to some other poor unexpecting soul I'm convinced these fine ladies know what they've got.

Enjoy your pups, Leo and Simon! They are adorable and just give them loads of hugs and kisses!

 

[Manchesters]

Perhaps......

Me too Keyodie. I always start a new page too! Manchester, you got yourself in the middle of a debate again ... lol From what I've read, they got their Chows from their sister's litter, so I don't think you have to be worried of them being shafted. Maybe move your efforts to some other poor unexpecting soul I'm convinced these fine ladies know what they've got.

Enjoy your pups, Leo and Simon! They are adorable and just give them loads of hugs and kisses!

But I have my doubts, rofl. But heck, why should anyone give a ****? I realize now how dumb it was of me to get my knickers in a wad all these years feeling concern for people who were getting the shaft. It is not my job to "tilt at windmills" (refernece to Don Quixote there), hoping to encourage people to try to find good reputable breeders. Or even better, adopt a dog.

People deserve what they get. Period. Sad thing is that pet people don't have a clue about the little detail of temperament, or realize that good stable temperament is not something you are going to get from a dog from a back yard breeder. Very often such dogs--generally regardless of breed--are hyper as hades, or turn out being fear biters, etc. So although in some cases weird colors are not an indication of genetic health problems, such as with white Dobes, or even blue Dobes for that matter, there IS temperament to be considered. But again.....hey.....that is not my problem, and I ain't gonna be bothered anymore.

Sarah peeked into the forum a little bit ago, and called me. She said something along the lines of "boy, those pet people sure aren't interested in learning anything are they? They sure don't want to hear the truth." Sad to say, she is right.

What I guess I failed to make clear was that what I was writing was as much for those who might someday in the future be getting a pup, so that maybe they will know what to look for, and what questions to ask.

After reading about Dakotah's latest adventure, I flat give up. People are mostly just to stupid to even give a ****!!!!!! How someone can read what she has read about health testing on this forum and then go running off to get a pup from someone who doesn't have a clue what they did when they let their two dogs screw is beyond me!!!!!! I am afraid I must admit that it is a lost cause!!!!!! A case of "Toyota"----if ya ask for it, I hope you get just what you deserve, rofl.

Must go do blasted yard work so must leave this entertaining subject. If nothing else, anyone else who reads this thread will know that brindle is not acceptable in Chows, and that RED CHOWS DO NOT START OUT BRINDLE AND THEN TURN RED! Bwaaahahahahah!

 

[kitcatak]

Thank you for your concern Manchester. I did NOT get the shaft. I knew exactly what I was getting. These people are not byb's. I only reimbursed them for the vet cost associated with Leo, otherwise he was free. We both read everything we could find on Chow's when we decided we wanted one. Both of the parents have excellent temperments. The first time we went over to see the puppies, my 3 girls went directly over to them and neither parent made a single aggressive move (there was barking going on, but what dog doesn't bark at new people?). I didn't go into this blind, but I understand that a lot of people do. Yes, we all thought Leo was going to be red, BUT I REALLY wanted a cream chow. I always thought black chows looked like orangutans and REALLY DID NOT want a black chow (I have since changed my opinion! lol They are adorable!!) So, by default, I got the only "NOT BLACK" chow of the litter.

So, I wasn't ripped off or taken advantage of in anyway.

Have a wonderful time with your yard work. It has been raining here for days and downright fallish. Send some of that warm sunny weather this way!!

 

[Old Dog]

I was not being critical of your pup just explaining what bridling was. I have an aussie that doesn't meet no standards but I love her, she picked me! She looks nothing like her litter mates. She has a semi long coat and she is liver colored.Looks more like a border collie mix without the tail. I am going to critisize someones dog. Don't think so.
You see I think you love the dog for the dog not his pedigree. I don't show any more. My opion of AKC is not the best in the world. Don't care about pedigree ect....... I have one dog at home that has what you call a pedigree and he is a 16 year old toy poodle I use to show. The majority are rescues or mutts.They are all great dogs. Enjoy your puppy. Puppys are so sweet,cute and cudly who can resist.

 

[Manchesters]

The Blues

Thank you for your concern Manchester. I did NOT get the shaft. I knew exactly what I was getting. These people are not byb's. I only reimbursed them for the vet cost associated with Leo, otherwise he was free. We both read everything we could find on Chow's when we decided we wanted one. Both of the parents have excellent temperments. The first time we went over to see the puppies, my 3 girls went directly over to them and neither parent made a single aggressive move (there was barking going on, but what dog doesn't bark at new people?). I didn't go into this blind, but I understand that a lot of people do. Yes, we all thought Leo was going to be red, BUT I REALLY wanted a cream chow. I always thought black chows looked like orangutans and REALLY DID NOT want a black chow (I have since changed my opinion! lol They are adorable!!) So, by default, I got the only "NOT BLACK" chow of the litter.

So, I wasn't ripped off or taken advantage of in anyway.

Have a wonderful time with your yard work. It has been raining here for days and downright fallish. Send some of that warm sunny weather this way!!

If I were thinking of getting a Chow, I would want a blue. The red is so common, and you can't ever tell what shade it might turn out.....the cinnamons are washed out to my eye, and the blacks just don't do a thing for me. But I have seen a couple really nice blues. And they don't seem to have skin problems like Blue Dobes do.

I didn't last too long out in the yard before had to come in and take a break. And didn't do much of squat while out there. But it seems the temp has crept up to 93 degrees!!!!!! And of course the boys were out in the yard with me, so I can't work on the fence and drop the panels like I need to----don't want any squashed Manchesters!

I am curious about what you consider to be a back yard breeder? When I use the expression, I mean someone who throws two dogs together to get puppies with no concern for the betterment of the breed or to improve upon what they have. They have no knowledge of the breed standard or how to interpret the standard. They have no clue what straight stifled means, or layback of shoulder, or what "good bone" means. They are totally uneducated, and go around making statements like "most reds start out brindle", roflmbo.
I realize that is from the sister of the pup "breeder" (?) but it indicates the sister don't know diddley about Chows either, lol.

My concern is not so much for you---you have a puppy you love and will spoil rotten. Hopefully he will turn out to be a nice stable young man. But it would be nice if JSnider's sister got her dogs neutered and left the puppy producing up to those who care about the breed and want to better it. There are thousands of crummy dogs of every breed out there---and shame on those that breed them!!!!!

The only color I absolutely have nothing but disdain for is those ugly white Dobes. They are an abomination. Not just because of color, but because they are hyper photosensitive, have skin problems, as well as temperament problems.

Again, I was not trying to be mean or a bitch......just trying to find out if you had been snookered into getting a "rare" dog and told a bunch of blather that was not true. Most of us "experts" (rofl) all had to get our first dog, and in most cases it was not the best speciman of the breed. I was lucky because although Misty did not have a "stellar" pedigree, I did know enough to take her to some of the most famous breeders around to be evaluated.

Then I started reading, going to shows, and meeting as many Dobe people as I could. Same for when I became a Whippetaholic. Then again for the Manchesters. Becoming involved in a breed is WORK, and requires educating yourself as tho you were working toward a PhD (Pretty hep on Dogs).

Ah well.......I have cooled off enough, and put the boys in their crates for supper, so can go tackle the dreaded stockade fence that Ivan demolished, and I have arsed put back up. I had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and it took me about 6 months to get over it, so I didn't do the best job putting that fence back up.

Toodles to all!

 

[kitcatak]

My definition of a byb is someone who mates two dogs for the sole purpose of making money. I have a co-worker that is really into boxers. She show's them, she has bred a few and she totally loves them. Her mother is byb which horrifies her to no end! She doesn't pay attention to the dogs temperment, health or anything else (she mated a 6 month old puppy for goodness sakes). She says she just wants to sell good "pets". To me THAT is a byb.

 

[keyodie]

Hey well I'm glad you're having fun with your pup!

 

[Manchesters]

Yup

My definition of a byb is someone who mates two dogs for the sole purpose of making money. I have a co-worker that is really into boxers. She show's them, she has bred a few and she totally loves them. Her mother is byb which horrifies her to no end! She doesn't pay attention to the dogs temperment, health or anything else (she mated a 6 month old puppy for goodness sakes). She says she just wants to sell good "pets". To me THAT is a byb.

That pretty well defines BRB! I feel so sorry for your co-worker! That is a heck of a pickle to be in. But she won't be able to register any pups out of a 6 month old dog. I think the minimum age is 8 months. It must be rough wanting to wring your own mother's neck, as your co-worker must want to do!!!!!!!!!! I can really sympathize with her. The frustration would drive me bonkers!!!

Oh, is Leo leash/collar broken yet? I sure hope so. That is the ONE thing about Chow pups in general........stubborn as hades when it comes to leash breaking. Sarah had one sucker that she tried for 10 months to leash break. Dragged his butt all over hell's half acre!!!!!!!! Ya gotta be careful with 'dem Chows, 'cause dey's tongue is already blue, bwaaahahahahah. Just KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!! Got the fence finished except for tightening up one last piece of wire (dont' ask, ya don't wanna know, lolololololol).

 

[skyhigh]

I love Leo. He's a cutie