My dog had 11 puppies, help!!!

[Serena]

Serena, thanks for your helpful tips. And no where did I say that I couldn't afford to have them spayed and neutered. If I had known people like you would gripe about something that has already happened(over and over again), I would not have posted on here. Thanks, Smkie, at least you have been civil.

I did not say YOU could not afford the surgery. If you read the thread you would see that Smkie made a comment about not being able to afford the surgery and I responded to that.

I doubt any of us that isn't well financed could afford the fixing of 11 puppies, lets get serious here.

I am taking it that you are not really involved in the canine fancy and never did rescue work huh? Get involved, seriously involved and then tell me that "people like me gripe too much".

 

[dr2little]

Serena, thanks for your helpful tips. And no where did I say that I couldn't afford to have them spayed and neutered. If I had known people like you would gripe about something that has already happened(over and over again), I would not have posted on here. Thanks, Smkie, at least you have been civil.

I feel badly that some found it necessary to attack without knowing all of the facts. The links that were posted are very good, I hope you'll ask for more help here if you need it...not everyone will jump to conclusions and there is a lot of experience on this forum.

 

[Heatherew]

FYI, I have adopted half a dozen animals from the shelter that would have been put to sleep, I DO love animals, and I am not an idiot. This was a mistake, and I posted on here to get advice, not criticism. And like I said, more than half of the pups already have people who want them(we out here in rural areas don't mind if they are not purebred dogs, some of the BEST dogs I have ever had have been mixed). AND I am going to keep at least one of the puppies. And yes, she will be spayed and get all her shots, as will all of the puppies.

 

[smkie]

I had an oops litter, i had an oops litter because my mary had a silent heat at 5 months. We didn't know she was pg until she was too far along. That is the absolute truth. I charged 35 dollars for each pup to ensure that they didn't go to bad places, and that paid for their vaccines. Most people don't realize that the dhlp is not enough and that a pup needs a booster not just once but in a series including AFter he/she leaves her mam. It took all of that money to get mama fixed so it didn't happen twice. I am just shocked at the responses here. For each of you that have never made a mistake, Bless you i hope you never do and if and when it does happen no matter what that mistake is, i hope you meet with the same kind of advise that you hand out.
Someone asks for help, you hand out judgements. What one of us could afford the spaying and neutering of not only the female but all 11 puppies that is just insane. Acccidents DO happen. Lets help pass on helpful information that will let a member learn how to best care for their babes, and help them into a new life instead of condemning them with your judgements. Shake head in wonder....
Please don't feel that coming here for help was a mistake.
i hope you come back and share pics too, i would love to see your babies!

I do not like to use a formula supplement unless MAM is completely unable to nurse at all and no foster mommy is available. It is very tricky with newborns and unless you know what you are doing you can get milk in the lungs. Nutrical on the other hand would be a wonderful thing to give mama. A teaspoon of it is huge in good calories and nutrients, all she needs. It is a bit expensive. My old boss added 3 cans a day of good meat to the kibble , one for each meal and mama was boosted a lunch as well as Breakfast and dinner. I put powdered milk, honey and some corn oil on Mary's food too. Best to sock the calories to mom and let nature make the proper diet. I wish you all the luck with your family and hope that you will come back and let us know how you are doing, if there is any other way i can help all ya gotta do is ask.

i forgot about worms..if mama wasn't taking heartworm preventative and dewormed before this happened you will want to take a stool sample up for the vet to see if the pups are infected. I have seen only a few day old pups that looked like they had a big belly full of milk actually vomit up round worms. More then you would ever think could fit in such a small baby.
If you want to do some early training one thing i did with all the pups at the kennels and my Mary's too was when the pups ears first open (same time as the eyes) i would wait until i knew it was just about time for them to wake up and i would blow a training whistle, not loud just a toot toot right behind the mama. Nothing like driving that message in early. Every dog i have done this with will about face and come home the second they hear the whistle. It really works!

last i promise..i made a little packet for the new owner with birth pics, early pics, all info on shots and diet, and when i sent them to their new life i sent a small bag of what they were eating so it could be mixed in with what they would feed afterwards if it were a change. Those were MY babies as well as Mary's and i took the very best care of them i could. I grew up working in a kennel. I was considered to be very good with puppies and especially with the birthing process. That is a large litter, with proper care each and every one should grow up fat and sassy. The largest litter we ever had was 14. I would let them nurse half the litter a time so everyone got their equal share. Letting the littlest ones go first. By making sure the front teats are getting nursed as well will keep them operating in good order ...Blessings on their little heads, i wish them well.

 

[Serena]

FYI, I have adopted half a dozen animals from the shelter that would have been put to sleep, I DO love animals, and I am not an idiot. This was a mistake, and I posted on here to get advice, not criticism. And like I said, more than half of the pups already have people who want them(we out here in rural areas don't mind if they are not purebred dogs, some of the BEST dogs I have ever had have been mixed). AND I am going to keep at least one of the puppies. And yes, she will be spayed and get all her shots, as will all of the puppies.

Heather, loving animals does not make a responsible pet owner.

It is even more discouraging if you adopted animals from the shelter and did NOT spay your dog to prevent all this from happening in the first place.

What do you want me to say "The pups are here now whats done is done" What kind of message does that send to the lurkers on the forum that are casually considering breeding their pets?

Forgive me if I can't be more sympathetic to your plight I have seen too much to simply just dismiss these kinds of "mistakes".

 

[smkie]

THat is why i stay out of this part of the forum so much of the time. THere is a huge difference between an accidental litter and a back yard breeder or someone that thinks the dog has to get pg to settle her down, or they want to have just one litter. I am outta here again for just exactly that reason. Comments like that just make me ill. If anyone has any questions, just pm me, i do not sit in judgement of people, i only want to help.

 

[Serena]

*Sigh* I wish people could comprehend that breeding a litter, just ONE litter makes you a breeder...

And that one litter will forever decide what kind of breeder you are.

I don't believe in accidental breedings...Not when breeding is 100% preventable by the owner.

 

[Heatherew]

Serena, it must be nice to have all the answers and know everything. I take that back, you DON'T know all the details about me or my animals. I have had EVERY one of my animals spayed/neutered, had an appt. for this dog and like Smkie said, she had a silent heat, got pregnant, and she was too far along. It was a bad thing, I didn't want it to happen, but it did. People should get their pets spayed and neutered.......I was not advocating letting dogs get pregnant!


I work my *** off taking care of these puppies. I am constantly checking on them, changing their papers, trying to make sure that they get enough to eat from their mom. I have one other dog, a cat, and two ferrets that I also have to take care of(AND YES, THEY ARE ALL SPAYED!). I have barely been sleeping because I get up in the middle of the night to check on the pups. They are almost like my kids. And don't attack me for saying ALMOST, I have a ten year old daughter, and I love my pets, but my daughter is number one.


But this circular conversation is over, it reminds me of a conversation I would have with a child. My dog got pregnant, I wish that it wouldn't have happened but it did, end of story. Only helpful advice will be appropriate from this point on.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

Heather.......My advice to you now would be to PM the people here that are trying to help you and leave this thread alone.

I was shocked when i read your 1st post here and didn't know what to say.
I however didn't (or didn't intend) to Judge you.
I cannot give advice as i have never Bred before.

I wish you all the luck with the puppies and Mummy.

 

[smkie]

Good for you heatherew. I know exactly how much hard work a litter is. Just remember when reading through threads that one person does not speak for us all. They can give their opinion and it is up to you if you wish to hear it or dump it in file 13. The good thing is you can get a wide scope of perspective to a problem and sometimes find delightful new answers for everything from diet to training. I hope you will come back anytime you need us and bring pics too!
Your little girl will be a big help when it comes to socialization too.

 

[Saje]

Heather. If people are bothering you there is an ignore option in your user profile. I really don't know if I can help as I know very little about breeding but there is good advice here and there are people with experience if they choose to offer constructive advice. I'm glad things seem to be going ok and I'm glad that spays are planned for the future

 

[bubbatd]

Heather, if you PM me your address, I'll send you the book. I feel it's that important to you and the pups. Also, if you make a space like others said... put towels or bedding in the pen and the newspaper outside. Otherwise they don;t know the difference for pooping.

 

[Zoom]

Smkie has given you some wonderful advice. Follow it and you will have fat, happy puppies.

I cringed when I saw this thread, because I just knew the responses it was going to get. That's sad when you know something is going to get messy from the get-go. Yes, I understand the importance of emphasizing spay/neuter and leaving the breeding up to responsible people, but sh*t happens sometimes, and Heather at least came to us for help instead of dumping the mother before the litter or dumping/drowing the whole kit n' kaboodle afterwards. She's trying to do right by her oops litter, and that's more admirable than the actions most people take.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

One way to have the puppies S/N before they go to new homes is to have the new owners come and sign their contract, and pay for the puppy. Then you drop the puppy at the vets for the S/N, and the new owner can pick it up there.

OR you can require a larger purchase price, with a refund given to the new owners after proof of spay/neuter.

S/N at 8 weeks is done frequently. Puppies have less post op pain, recover more quickly, and studies show no serious adverse affects from pediatric S/N.

So you could begin placing puppies now, collecting purchase price, and making S/N appts for when they are 8 weeks old.

You can also speak to your vet, if you are going to have 11 S/N clients in their office, I bet they will give you a good price break. (12 if you include your bitch).

 

[Mach1girl]

When mine were beyond staying in a small area, I bought a "pen" at Petsmart. It was 4 foot high, and like so many feet long. You can bend it in a circle. I put that on my tile floor with newspaper in one half and carpet in the other half. Even that though became almost unmanageable. As they would all jump and scoot it across my living room every day, and smear poo, and well, you know!!! It was a constant mopping deal. But it was used until the pups were gone and crates were started to be used.

Also, my Dixie cleaned her babies forever, seems like we had to make her stop.................and until this day I catch her cleaning them!(and after them!!!)

 

[PoodleMommy]

I think almost everything has been said, as far as what needs to be done.

Only one thing to add, i was recently bottle feeding some kittens and I know it is hard to get them to take the formula at first. However, if any of the puppies appear not to be getting the nutrients they need I would try again with the bottles.

Like someone else said, just be careful to keep an eye on the smaller ones, try not to let them get pushed aside by their siblings.

I think everything else has been answered for you, let us know if you have anymore questions though.

Good Luck, Im sure 11 is a handful

Elissa

** What Mach is talking about is called an x-pen I believe that could def. help you contain them once they get too big for the box.

 

[stand_watie]

Smkie has given you some wonderful advice. Follow it and you will have fat, happy puppies.

I cringed when I saw this thread, because I just knew the responses it was going to get. That's sad when you know something is going to get messy from the get-go. Yes, I understand the importance of emphasizing spay/neuter and leaving the breeding up to responsible people, but sh*t happens sometimes, and Heather at least came to us for help instead of dumping the mother before the litter or dumping/drowing the whole kit n' kaboodle afterwards. She's trying to do right by her oops litter, and that's more admirable than the actions most people take.

That's for sure. Where I live in the country people abandon their dogs all the time. It's gotten so I don't even blame my neighbors anymore who just shoot the strays and leave them for the buzzards after making a few trips to the animal shelter with strays that other people have abandoned and having to face down a spittle flying"spay/neuter!/spay/neuter!", shrieking harpy every time I go.

 

[Fran27]

I agree with Zoom also... but if it had been me, the dog would have been spayed at the first hint of pregnancy, and if for some reason spaying hadn't been possible, I would have read about what to do with puppies for the whole next 62 days.

But yeah, glad to see she's asking for advice, and I'm sure she will get good one here.

 

[ihartgonzo]

Best of luck with your BIG litter of pups. I can't say I envy you for all the work that you are putting in, despite how adorable they must be! It's great that you are doing a lot for these pups, and that you are set to prevent anymore litters from Mom, or from babies. Spay/neuter and return contracts are highly recommended, here!

It's gotten so I don't even blame my neighbors anymore who just shoot the strays and leave them for the buzzards after making a few trips to the animal shelter with strays that other people have abandoned and having to face down a spittle flying"spay/neuter!/spay/neuter!", shrieking harpy every time I go.

>:[ wth? I don't know if I understood that correctly, but you don't BLAME people who SHOOT dogs? That is truly a mature, commendable statement. I guess I'm a "spittle flying spay/neuter!/spay/neuter! shrieking harpy too, LMAO! It's a heck of a lot better than a "give me money for sick puppies! dogs are breeding machines" shrieking BYB-er/miller-er. Typical, blame the "mean" rescue volunteer & pity the abusers and abandoners who created the problem in the first place.

 

[stand_watie]

..Typical, blame the "mean" rescue volunteer & pity the abusers and abandoners who created the problem in the first place.

Quit being mean and I won't blame you for it.